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Old 03-24-2008, 07:38 AM
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Default 200nl - passive PF and flop line with KQ, get c/r on turn with tp2k

villain is 29/21/5 over about 90 hands, no reads

Pre flop I normally 3bet but mix it up sometimes with a call.

Is the flop call terrible? Raise standard?

Should I be checking the turn? It seems like a decent spot for him to bluff c/r me because no monster hands play like this in my position.

BossMedia Game #1009037001: Table Turbo TH 40 - $1.00/$2.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:59:40 - 2008/03/24
Seat 1: KBRorS ($233.85)
Seat 2: (^^*__*^^) ($286.10)
Seat 3: Hero ($301.94)
Seat 5: Wild_Duck ($239.30)
(^^*__*^^) posts the small blind of $1.00
Hero posts the big blind of $2.00
KBRorS is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [ ]
Wild_Duck folds
KBRorS folds
(^^*__*^^) raises $8.00
Hero calls $8.00
*** FLOP *** [ ] - pot $16
(^^*__*^^) bets $12.00
Hero calls $12.00
*** TURN *** [ ] [] - $40
(^^*__*^^) checks
Hero bets $27.00
(^^*__*^^) raises $100.00
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Old 03-24-2008, 08:29 AM
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90 hands and no reads? ATSB%? Cbet%?

a four handed blind special means he's likely opened his range pretty wide. pf is ok, I'd usually repop as well but mixing it up is good too. I like a reraise on the flop, as played fold to the pot size 3bet.
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I call the flop, check the turn. Let's not get involved in weird situations with a danger board like that. Let's keep the pot has small has possible. He's probably checking / block bets the river is he does not have a powerful hand (JJ and such). I'd call about 40$ if the river is not a diamond or a card that completes a str8.

Back to the hand, I fold that c/r, I'm just not confortable enuff here.
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I 3bet this pre about 95% of the time, the odd call I suppose is fine but for the most part this has to be a raise imo.

If you call you have to raise the flop I think, if anything to protect against the tons of turn cards that scare the shit out of you and which he can bluff, plus we figure to have best hand. It also makes the hand alot easier to play.

As played, I think your line looks enough like the bare that you can get bluff raised a ton and this guy does seem aggro. I think you should either check behind or bet/3bet him on that turn, but you're a little deep. Anyone like a turn shove or do we need a load more reads?
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david - what worse hands call a 3bet?

if james has an ace shouldn't it be sooted, meaning he flopped the nuts? he 3bets AJ+ like always, only possibility is like AdTx maybe.

i fold so fast here because i can't imagine 3bet bluffing being viable, and a call is just lol.
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david - what worse hands call a 3bet?
I doubt many do, but if we feel we're getting bluff raised enough by this guy we can 3bet imo. This is more for protection I think, cos a diamond/ace hitting the river is awful for us.

This is the reason I prefer checking, cos if we bet I think we have to follow through if we reckon he bluff raises alot. Otherwise it's just like saying "I know you bluff raise, but here you go, have $27".

Other question might be what better hands fold? Aces? AK? I even think the :kx would fold.

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ok missed the glaring obvious bvb bit, obviously changes a lot.

i do check behind as well and then call the inevitable river bet.
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Is this guy betting the SB unopened a lot? I think a 3 bet PF is good here unless he's tight from the SB, given that he'll be OOP agins a decent player. But I doubt he'd really care given his stats.

The flop is harder. I think it's a raise for me, and I'm expecting a 4 bet almost never. Given the overly obvious flush draw, I'm not sure whether folding this on the flop is ever a good idea (after the 3 bet). He obviously might have woken up with AK or AA, but it's just too specific to put him on that.

The check raise really muddies up his range, I can't put him on anything that we are happy to play against. I think a semi-bluff is possible, but I don't see this being a pure bluff often. But if he really put us on a strong flush draw and has the goods himself, I'm not sure why he'd give us a shot at a free card, rather than giving us horrible pot odds by just betting out??? I think it's quite possible he's flopped that flush or has the , and puts us on a weaker draw. Fold.
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90 hands and no reads? ATSB%? Cbet%?

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On Boss if a hand is mucked there is no way to see the cards

All hands I have seen shown down have just been standard value betting against the station at the table.

ATSB% relates to CO and BTN

Cbet % I don't have on GT+

Is that ok with you?
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