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03-19-2008, 08:32 PM
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As played, no way in hell I fold to that river bet. truth.
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03-19-2008, 08:50 PM
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The min-raise on the turn just screams that he has a Q. Its the classic donks way of trying to build a pot while blatantly giving away the strength of your hand. I fold this river too.
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03-19-2008, 08:51 PM
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Thank you HSM. Exactly my thoughts on it. Im not gonna lie it did suck tossing it away.
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03-20-2008, 05:26 AM
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that's why I love NL25. Most people fall into the category of "stupid enough to cbet" but there's also a huge group of people who fear minraises more than overbet shoves
makes for a cheap and effective bluff on dry turns after floating cbets
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03-20-2008, 05:55 AM
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Erm, I don't know about NL25 but I have been playing a ton of NL10 this year and when I see a move like this 9 times out of 10 they have the goods.
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03-20-2008, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by HSM
Erm, I don't know about NL25 but I have been playing a ton of NL10 this year and when I see a move like this 9 times out of 10 they have the goods.
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they usually do, but not often enough to make it a -ev call - for example, you only need to win about once out of four to make break even sklansky bux calling a minraise that gives you 3:1 pot odds
but I was just saying, making minbet bluffs against the standard TAGs at these levels, especially multitabling ones, is huge EV
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03-20-2008, 06:25 AM
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lol, never fold that river, ever. And I mean ever. You've completely under-repped your hand.
Not betting the flop made this hand so difficult to play cos you won't have a clue what the minraise means. I suppose I just go all passive here and call the minraise and then c/c river even if he pots it. If I had reads then 3betting turn could be fine as could value betting river. Without reads, I think they tend to fire the river enough to make a c/c bluff catcher work.
But yeah, lead the flop.
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03-20-2008, 06:44 AM
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You're getting 2.5-1 with aces up and he cannot possibly put you on an overpair.
How sick would it be if he had A5o?
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03-20-2008, 07:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classickred
they usually do, but not often enough to make it a -ev call - for example, you only need to win about once out of four to make break even sklansky bux calling a minraise that gives you 3:1 pot odds
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Calling 3:1 pot odds when you believe that 9 out of 10 times he has it is not EV tho. 
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03-20-2008, 09:04 AM
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meh, I'd call this all day at NL25.
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