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Old 03-14-2008, 04:32 AM
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Default 100nl FR, 4 bet shoving AKs, standard?

I've never really played FR seriously, at 6/5 max I'm doing this all the time but how about at FR? Every time I get re raised it tends to be AA and I pay them off cos I'm so used to light 3 betting.

No reads on villain, 8 tabling with the tables tiled means no GT+

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, SB raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $98.5 (All-In),
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:01 AM
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8 tabling without stats prob isn't a good idea.
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8 tabling without stats prob isn't a good idea.
Correct, when your playing more than 2 tables, you won't be watching each player and the way they play as much, and also you have less time to think when it's your turn to act. For these reasons, it is absolutely IMPERATIVE that you play with stats/hud system so you can get a meaningful read on the player instantly

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so like, 1.5 years ago i'm at the casino w/ a friend. were playing the $600 max 1/2 sicko game that i always play and cruuushh for mirrions.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:09 AM
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meh, the players are dreadful at this limit and I can see all 8 tables at the same time. Maybe I should just use bigger tables
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Suicidal.

You are an unknown/tight player in villains eyes and opened from UTG+1.
With no reads we treat him as an unknown and an unknown is just never bluffing here and alot of players wouldn't even 3bet AK here.
Some players range here is literally as tight as AA/KK and both call your all in, players who 3bet here with AK or JJ/QQ are almost certianly folding it to your shove.

This play is fine at FR if your raise comes from LP and a guy you have as solid aggressive player repops you, but in this spot its very spewy.
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You could buy PAHud it automatically readjusts to table size, which is quite handy when playing a ton of tables.
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I've never really played FR seriously, at 6/5 max I'm doing this all the time but how about at FR? Every time I get re raised it tends to be AA and I pay them off cos I'm so used to light 3 betting.

No reads on villain, 8 tabling with the tables tiled means no GT+

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Hero ($98.50)
MP1 ($71.50)
MP2 ($39.15)
CO ($136.30)
Button ($152.15)
SB ($108.10)
BB ($76.30)
UTG ($30.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, SB raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $98.5 (All-In),

Getting A/k all in pf isnt usually a good idea, without history. What is worse here is your 4 bet sizing, you allow your opponent to play perfectly vs you here, make it 32-42$ here and please never 4bet overshove like this because when I see people do this I literally laugh and say "Donkey"
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Without reads, I'd hate this shove at 6max also.
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dude you opened from EP

i dont like this at all
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Without reads, I'd hate this shove at 6max also.
No, it is very +EV at 6max
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