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03-06-2008, 03:21 AM
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NL10 JJ in position, fire the turn?
No reads, PAHUD is gay blahblahblah.
Anyhows what do ya'll do on this turn?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP1 ($19.65)
Hero ($9.80)
CO ($1.55)
Button ($16.65)
SB ($3.80)
BB ($26.15)
UTG ($13.65)
UTG+1 ($10.60)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J  , J  .
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.2, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.85.
Flop: ($2.55) Q  , 6  , Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75.
Turn: ($6.05) 7 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero ???
Final Pot: $6.05
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03-06-2008, 03:34 AM
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Stu Ungar
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no. never. flush draw isn't going away, you only fold out 88-TT and 7x/6x hands and never fold a queen.
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03-06-2008, 05:23 AM
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Mike McDermott
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Bet $4.25 for value, checking isn't terrible without reads
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03-06-2008, 05:50 AM
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bet, don't let him draw out with AKd. i go for about $4.
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03-06-2008, 10:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piv
no. never. flush draw isn't going away, you only fold out 88-TT and 7x/6x hands and never fold a queen.
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Regardless of what JHarding and David say I am with Piv on this one. I check behind.
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03-07-2008, 01:09 AM
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Mike McDermott
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micro nits lol 
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03-07-2008, 02:16 AM
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so kre8r what do you do when the  or  hits on the river and he bets out $5? I think the hand becomes so much easier to play with a bet on the turn as we will get value from worse hands and also a good chance at a free showdown on the river. If we check he's going to bet way more often on the river and put us in a shitty spot.
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03-08-2008, 12:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidab157
so kre8r what do you do when the  or  hits on the river and he bets out $5? I think the hand becomes so much easier to play with a bet on the turn as we will get value from worse hands and also a good chance at a free showdown on the river. If we check he's going to bet way more often on the river and put us in a shitty spot.
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As Piv pointed out there are not enough hands that we are folding out to make a bet here have much value. Very rarely enough fold equity against a drawing donk since the blanket read on everyone is they suck. Trust us when we say that betting here at NL10 is just not worth it. I think we have decent showdown value if the river doesnt come crazy so I say keep the pot small.
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03-08-2008, 02:44 AM
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Why would we want to fold out a drawing donk?
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03-08-2008, 02:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidab157
Why would we want to fold out a drawing donk?
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Not saying we do want to but we may already be crushed so I see no reason to build a pot in this situation.
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