This hand is getting quite alot of discussion on the CR forum so thought I'd post it here. I'm still not sure about it.

Villain is 27/19/3, no reads other than that. He seems a decent player from the little I have on him. No specific history with him. He prob has my att to steal at about 35, but who knows what he makes of that over a small sample (100 hands or so).

Flop play here? 3betting commits us so we have to go with it, I'm not a huge fan of that line, I don't think he stacks off without a set/straight/2pair/huge draw. Calling may slow him down with a hand like T9 etc. and even though there are alot of scare turn cards for me, they will scare him too.

Someone said 3bet to $35 and fold to a shove, I hate that but just putting it out there.

Folding too nitty here?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight | fold when you know you're beat (BETA)

Stacks:
CO ($136.25)
BTN ($86.90)
Hero ($99.90)
BB ($87.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 4 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, Hero bets $3, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7, 2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, BB bets $15, Hero ???

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"Someone said 3bet to $35 and fold to a shove, I hate that but just putting it out there."

I like this line, and in fact, I'm willing to call an all in. It's blind vs blind and chances are, he dosen't have a big hand.. I think he wants to steal the pot from you here. And we don't really care if he hit a pair with a hand like A-9. We are ahead of a lot of hands here.

I also bet 7$ on the flop since my hand has little chance of improving. Therefore if he raises to 21$, it's easier for me to go all the way since I know the betting will be larger on other streets.

Maybe $5 is my standard, but I don't want to change my betsize to give away my hand strength. I'd bet the same with J2o or 78 there.

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3bet/stackoff, not at all close in my mind

i'll come back and explain fully in a bit, 8tabling right now

okay, calling would be bad because there are about 8298352 turn cards that you dont want to see. any A,K,Q,8,7, or club kinda sucks for your hand. even if a card like Qd doesn't really improve his hand at all, it just makes it that much easier for him to bluff you out later, especially considering that you are out of position.
folding is bad because it's just too weak vs a villain like this. there are lots of draws and semibluffs that he could be raising on this flop (especially blind vs blind) and simply folding an overpair just because you got raised is just asking to get outplayed.
basically 3betting is your only option here. throw in the fact that it's not even for 90BBs and it's actually pretty simple.

thing is squeezy, if we 3bet are we not only getting action from hands that either dominate us or that we are a slight favourite against?

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I think sometimes you take it a little too far about when you make a bet you want a worse hand to call or better hand to fold. When we are checked to on the river this is 100% true but there are times when we just have to take the view that we have the best hand and can't allow him to see any free cards so have to push it in even expecting we dont have massive equity when called. There's already $28 in the pot and we are basically risking $80 to win it. If he folds 80% of the time our bet is +EV, even if the other 20% of the time when called our equity is well under 50%.

Then you ask would there be a higher EV in flat calling flop to allow him to continue bluffing/betting a worse hand. If the board is 822r or something perhaps there is but here hands like 98/67/Axc have so many outs and we don't know what they are we're just going to get slaughtered OOP.

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I don't think he ever folds 80% of the time, that's why I figured we aren't in great shape to be stacking off here. But yeah I see your point wota.

When jharding sees this thread I'm getting flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamed.

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