[davidab157]

Villain is 25/20/4. I respect his play a fair bit, he's a good solid reg. As far as history goes, we have about 100 hands together and I assume he uses a HUD as well. I called his pfr oop to float flop and bluff turn (he folded turn so he doesn't know what i had obv) and this is the 2nd time I've 3bet him across 2 tables in about half an hour.

The usual questions about 3bet pots from me, flop cbet good? I imagine his calling range of a 3bet is reasonably wide as he prob knows I'm aggressive and may put me down for 3betting light alot.

As played do we fire turn or river? A king and I'm firing, and obv Q and A are good, but can we ever do it on this card?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight | fold when you know you're beat (BETA)

Stacks:
UTG ($98.50)
CO ($225.90)
Hero ($98.50)
SB ($167.15)
BB ($37.20)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 5 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, CO bets $3, Hero bets $11, 2 folds, CO calls $8.

Flop: ($23.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $16, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($55.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($55.5, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $55.50

[piv]

seems like the standard way i lose 25bbs.

[davidab157]

lol me too.

[dplick28.]

I make a decent sized turn bet of say 35. This way you are not committing your stack to the pot and can easily fold it to a reraise. He played it so weak after seeing his play on all streets making me think we could have easily gotten him off his hand.

[davidab157]

betting $35 and folding is awful imo.

[mister.x]

you can't fire turn 35$, it would leave us with something like 37$ for a river bluff, that he MIGHT consider even calling with AK here (99 - 11 preflop, 16 flop, 35 turn = 37) if he puts you on a busted flush draw / air bluff.

I'd bet 20$ cbet (always the high end of the "range"), check fold rest of the hand. He might have AdKd and is willing to call big bets having you covered.

He might have from that position a hand like A8 which beats us and might call an all in turn bet. I personnally think there is no need to do anything else than check fold the rest of the hand and pray he has AdJd.

[jharding666]

Do you ever check turn with KK+? If not then check river.

A big mistake a lot of players make is over adjusting and calling 3bets too light.

[WotaWaster]

1. Dont include the river when the discussion is about the turn since his river check makes it more likely he doesn't have a hand and may influence this response.

I actually agree with dplick here but I am going to be playing 6max with an image along the lines of 16/12 pre with a high cbet% and playing pretty tight post turn.
I think he is going to be usually check-raising draws/bluffs and sets and calling with hands he wants to showdown figuring you will cbet Ak/AQ on flop and he can fold to turn bet unimproved. I am putting the bulk of his range as between a hand as weak as 22 to a hand as strong as JJ, with if I have to make a specific guess i'd give him 99. I feel I have some chance of pushing him off all the above hands with a second barrell and a very high chance of folding anything worse than AT.
I think betting say $35 into $55 folds a better hand often enough to make the play +EV, however if he check-raise shoves I dont think calling for even $40 into $160 is +EV against his range so I'd fold.

[davidab157]

Point taken about including the river but I would hope people aren't so results oriented that they'd take too much out of the check and apply that to the turn.

wota I think you're image at 6max would be tight enough to fold out a fair few hands but tbh I think this guy knows I'm aggro and probably stacks off a reasonable range. My stats against him will be in the 20+/18+/4 range and he's seen me play the turn quite aggressively, I'd imagine he expects a turn bet more often than not and it's only really my AK/AQ/air hands that I give up on, and he probably expects me to fire them again sometimes. Given that I don't think I have alot of FE against better hands and can see him playing back at me with a hand like 99 (which I agree suits that line the best).

I'm not sure I can put him on a hand like JJ/QQ, I think he plays them far more aggro, AA/KK/set is obv possible. I struggle to put him on a FD cos he'd most likely be c/r on the flop. I suppose a hand like AQ/AJ he can have but then he isn't calling another barrel.

[squeezyplayer]

flop hits his range too hard and yours not much at all. he's never folding a pair to a cbet, and he will crai with a lot of drawing hands. the 1 better hand you might fold out is AK, but i'd expect him to 4bet that oop.

i think you should check back the flop and give up unimproved