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Old 02-24-2008, 01:01 PM
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Default 100nl 3bet pot with overs small effective stacks

Villain is 32/11/2 over about 60 hands. Really no strong reads to go on except he calls a bit too lightly preflop. No reads at all on him in 3bet pots.

How do we proceed on this flop given his stack size?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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Converted at weaktight | fold when you know you're beat (BETA)

Stacks:
UTG ($102.70)
CO ($109.00)
BTN ($52.65)
Hero ($105.00)
BB ($59.65)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 5 players) Hero is SB
1 fold, CO calls $1, BTN bets $3, Hero bets $12, 1 fold, CO folds, BTN calls $9.50.

Flop: ($27, 2 players)
Hero ???
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Meh, I see you getting in trouble here often against this guy. What do you honestly think his range is for calling a 3bet preflop? I say bare minimum TT, JJ, and QQ. I think no matter how you look at it you are losing some money on a flop like this against an opponent like this. I seriously dont even cbet this.

Also is it normal for you to 3bet a short stack like this with AJo? I am genuinely wondering since 3betting is just now becoming a part of my game.
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He raised quite liberally from LP, AJ is way ahead of his range.

I think he calls too much preflop so I would put him on a wider range than TT+. Like he has called OOP with some very dubious hands in the past, I think it's safe to say he'll call alot of Ax/suited connector/midpair type hands. I don't think he's too aware of stack sizes and how they affect what his calling range should be.

And he's got 53bb, so not exactly short as such.
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His calling range is so much wider then A/Q+TT+ kr8
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He raised quite liberally from LP, AJ is way ahead of his range.

I think he calls too much preflop so I would put him on a wider range that TT+
But you really think he calls your 3bet with anything worse than that after raising preflop? You gotta think he already figured his hand was good enough to raise with a PFR % of only 11. Its not like you were the raiser and he called. If that were the case I would cbet for sure but since this is a 3bet pot against this guy I seriously dont do it on that board.
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ChieF how can we bet/fold this? He's got $40 left with a $25 pot, if we bet we're going with the hand.
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ChieF how can we bet/fold this? He's got $40 left with a $25 pot, if we bet we're going with the hand.
This is why I dont feel right about the 3bet with AJo preflop or a cbet honestly.
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ChieF how can we bet/fold this? He's got $40 left with a $25 pot, if we bet we're going with the hand.
Your right didnt look at the stack size, check/fold imo, if your gonna 3bet and not cbet a flop that doesnt hit you because his stack size why are we 3 betting even tho we know were ahead of his range?
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But you really think he calls your 3bet with anything worse than that after raising preflop? You gotta think he already figured his hand was good enough to raise with a PFR % of only 11. Its not like you were the raiser and he called. If that were the case I would cbet for sure but since this is a 3bet pot against this guy I seriously dont do it on that board.
Seriously, he raised a ton of hands from late position and was calling far too much with weird holdings, I really don't think he's only calling monsters here.
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