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Old 02-15-2008, 02:44 PM
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you in a bad mood james?

Given the situation, what would your play be????????????????
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you in a bad mood james?

Given the situation, what would your play be????????????????
I can't decide. I'm wondering if we'd be better off calling the flop if we're thinking about folding to a 3bet shove? As played I think it's a fold against an unknown (and to be honest against most other players)
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:10 PM
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fwiw I think your pokerstove analysis skills need a LOT of work.

Why have you included 4 combinations of KK? We have a King which leaves him with 3 possible combinations.

Why have you included 4 combinations of QQ? Why not all 6? Why not less?

Why have you even included QQ+? He smooth called you pre flop! Ok, maybe we can include one combination of each hand but that's it as far as I'm concerned.

Why have you got impossible hands like KsTs?
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It shouldn't have 4 KK's, I swear I took out the one with a heart.

I gave less QQ to account for him not having it all that much.

I've seen enough flat calling by KK/QQ to include it.

Again KTs shouldn't be in there, I SWEAR I took out the impossible combinations (I did this very quickly though).
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I far prefer calling flop.

If we are raising then should know how we will respond to a shove and I say we have to call whilst expecting to be behind alot as we have 7outs vs AJ/AT, 10 outs vs JT and he can have a draw.

I am not sure about your range:
- I would give 1/6 AA combos as most people are reraising pre, and if they're the slowplaying type they dont lead this flop.
- I would give 1/6 KK and 1/6 QQ combos as again its usually reraised pre and its an unusual flop line with those hands.
- JT, AJ, AT and KQ all seem pretty likely but not everyone will call a raise to play OOP with all of these hands (some will 3bet and some may fold), so maybe 2/3 combos.
- KJ seems a stretch.
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If we are raising then should know how we will respond to a shove
Well I was planning on calling a shove yes.

If we call flop and he leads 3/4 pot into us on blank turn, how are we playing it then?

With the decent equity I most likely have in the hand, is the prospect of gaining a wild-ish image +ev enough in the long term to make stacking off the flop good?
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With the decent equity I most likely have in the hand, is the prospect of gaining a wild-ish image +ev enough in the long term to make stacking off the flop good?
On a big network like OnGame I'd say you probably won't play regularly enough with any of the observant players for it to be worth thinking about image long term.
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