I have UTG, 10 handed :

a few hands in, starting to feel the table

Ks-Qd
raise UTG, to 11$ (a play which I usually fold 50%, call 25%, raise 25%) depending if it's a loose or tight table.
one call from BB

BB is kinda tight, did not see much agression from him, did not play many hands.

flop K-6-4 rainbow

BB checks, I bet pot size 22$, BB reraises all in for 80$ more, I think and fold.


shoud I always fold KQ offsuit preflop UTG 10 handed ?
what about KQ suited ?

OR depends of the table... ?

I've been browsing the forums every couple of weeks when I have a minute free and I just wanted to pop back to tell you that raising KQo UTG is stupid.

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PF is fine

I muck KQo UTG 10handed.

Muck that real fast. Muck KQ suited almost as fast.

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many times you're called you're dominated... your playing for 2 pair or a straight... I would be interested to hear why j thinks this is a good play (you read the part about UTG right?).

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Firstly, I never said that raising pre flop is the best play I just said that it is fine to raise. I think the OP's strategy of folding mostly and occasionally limping and raising is good. Granted, I prefer the raise much better if we are suited.

I don't think we are dominated very often when called. Ok, AQ is more of a calling hand but AK I would expect to be re raised by even in a live game (same can be said of QQ+)

I actually think that we can get called by a lot of hands that we have dominated. Also, small pp's will call which 9 times out of 10 will just fold on the flop to our CB.


Table dynamics and our own image are obviously very important but to label a raise as "stupid" is stupid in itself.

I think that too often here people go for the sweeping generalisations and never think about how a play can be fine so long as it isn't being done all of the time.

like jharding says you shouldn't do the same thing all the time.

In saying that, I don't like raising this 25% of the time, I'd go less, something like raise 15% call 10% fold 75%. Obv depends so much on the table so those numbers are variable depending on reads.

As for the hand, I'm not a huge fan of putting 1/3 of effective stacks in and then folding top pair decent kicker but it depends on how tight/aggressive he was I suppose.

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I agree with you david, I'm not folding here (I think that's agreeing with you). If I'm planning to fold to a raise then I'd bet a more normal amount such as $15. I suppose I wasn't in the game and didn't know what the "norm" was

I could see playing like that mp, but UTG I fold 100%

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