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Old 12-13-2007, 08:55 AM
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Villain is same NL25 grinder as my trips post, 25/19/2. Very hard to fold this, but I think I have to against a solid grinder? I really can't see what else to do after his OOP bet on the flop. I can't fold AK here can I?

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $39.10
Button: $22.45
SB: $18.45
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Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with
Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls.

Flop: ($6.15, 2 players)
BB bets $4.8, Hero raises to $20, BB calls all-in $17.2, Hero calls.

Turn: :10c ($50.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $50.15)


River: :10d ($50.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $50.15)


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Old 12-13-2007, 12:00 PM
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Standard.
4 handed and hes a pretty LAG player so I assume a wide 3betting range (This may be incorrect but I wasn't there).
I probably just 4bet to $10 and get it in preflop but if we are calling we can't fold this flop when he bets.
I would guess his range which 3bets and cbets an A high flop to be pretty wide. You can even make an argument for calling flop hoping he double barrels if he's very aggressive but with the flush draw and gutshots there I just shove.
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Old 12-13-2007, 12:35 PM
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standard play, only time I'm folding AK preflop 4-handed is against a 10/10/x or tighter (which is superduper tight 4handed) over at least 100 hands.

call and 4bet both good options PF
flop shove = perfect
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Old 12-14-2007, 12:55 AM
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I'm unsure why you'd consider a fold?
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:07 AM
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I'm unsure why you'd consider a fold?

Isn't this one of the situations where you're either splitting or way behind. I mean his 3 bet narrows it down to JJ+, AK+. AJ seems unlikely here along with QKd, am i looking at this the right way?

SB, were you raising light/ winning lots of pots without showing down?

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Old 12-14-2007, 01:45 AM
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Isn't this one of the situations where you're either splitting or way behind. I mean his 3 bet narrows it down to JJ+, AK+. AJ seems unlikely here along with QKd, am i looking at this the right way?

SB, were you raising light/ winning lots of pots without showing down?
In a re raised pot I'll almost never fold tptk with AK (especially if we hit the A)

The chances of him having AA are terribly slim and yes JJ is obviously a possibility. Why would we call the re raise PF if we're just going to fold here though? I'm not saying shoving is the best play, in fact I think I prefer calling the flop (because the is out and so it reduces the chance he is on a draw).
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:11 AM
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Fadi you give him a far too tight 3betting range. We are UTG so it won't be crazy loose but he can do it with a lot of hands. And an A high flop is great for him to cbet as well. It sucks if he has AJ but I'd imagine he'd bet that flop with AQ/KK/QQ/KJ/QJ/AT and a whole lot more.

EDIT: I would prefer calling if I knew him to double barrel a fair bit. AF of 2 may not be high enough, not sure. I think if you shove this with a draw or a bluff sometimes then it becomes very +ev to shove in this spot.
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:57 AM
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I would expect villain to CB almost 100% of his range here
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Old 12-14-2007, 08:08 AM
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You're forgetting this a 4 handed game Fadi.
If I am villain I am pretty happy to call this shove with AQ and I am not folding AT.

"We are UTG so it won't be crazy loose". UTG at a 4 handed table is not really worthy of even being called UTG I don't think.
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just 4bet/call pf

this is fine though too
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