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Old 12-04-2007, 01:29 AM
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Default NL15 4th nuts vs unknown

No reads on villain because PT and PAHU aren't working with RedKings atm for some reason.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $29.85
CO: $12.60
Button: $43.45
SB: $15.40
Hero: $17.45

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with
2 folds, Button bets $0.45, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: ($0.4, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.3, Button raises to $1.5, Hero calls.

Turn: ($3.4, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button calls.

River: ($9.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $15, Hero ???

Obviously any card with the , or beat me, and the only logical hands he has them with are KK, QQ, TT or AK right? AQ at a stretch. Thing is his range is so wide being the button in an unopened pot.

PF I'd been restealing a fair bit so I didn't want to do it this time, I was going to try to take it away on the flop.

What's he making this river shove with that I beat? JJ, 77, 22, AA... fold?
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Old 12-04-2007, 01:32 AM
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im folding this..
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Old 12-04-2007, 05:19 AM
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Fold.

I'm not crazy about the call preflop, SC's don't play well OOP, I'd much rather 3bet. Effective stack isn't quite big enough for me to justify a call.

Flop just 3bet and get it in.
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Old 12-04-2007, 06:40 AM
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With no reads this is a preflop fold.
We can occasionally call against a winning TAG/LAG to CR bluff lots of flops, we can call a 8/1 player who has to have AA/KK to try and flop big and stack him, we can call against a complete LAG maniac who we know can treble barrell and pay us off if he has any pair.
We can also 3bet against people a with high attempt to steal blinds % and who can fold to 3bets.

Once you see that flop I would CR but once we do lead it is a very clear 3bet all in for value (you are favourite vs an overpair).

River I would fold. KK, QQ with a heart seem pretty believable and we have no read to suggest he bluffs even though he may well be. Hence we shouldn't get into pots with marginal hands in the first place against unknowns which give us decisions to make like this with not enough info.
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:31 AM
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Once you see that flop I would CR but once we do lead it is a very clear 3bet all in for value (you are favourite vs an overpair).
Bet/3bet all in is the best line anyway imo because we don't want to call the all in, we want to put him to a decision. Obv we are never folding but why not get some extra equity by being the one to get the chips in first?
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:32 AM
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PF I'd been restealing a fair bit so I didn't want to do it this time, I was going to try to take it away on the flop.
LMAO, you're playing NL15
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:39 AM
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i personally dont fold preflop, but whatever it's probably a good idea for a lot of people

3bet the flop and try to get all in

as played fold river
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:13 AM
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LMAO, you're playing NL15
A good point but hell, even there people notice if you constantly raise their blind.
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Bet/3bet all in is the best line anyway imo because we don't want to call the all in, we want to put him to a decision. Obv we are never folding but why not get some extra equity by being the one to get the chips in first?
If he has a set/overpair hes not folding anyway.
The majority of the time he has nothing so why not let him cbet and win an extra few dollars?
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:58 AM
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If he has a set/overpair hes not folding anyway.
The majority of the time he has nothing so why not let him cbet and win an extra few dollars?
You can equally get a few more dollars out of a hand that raises and folds but it is opponent dependent. I think both lines are valid.

I hate check/raising here and missing the turn.
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