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Old 11-15-2007, 12:33 PM
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Default NL10 Aces full, your thoughts on this check-raise?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players
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Stack Sizes
Hero: $9.90
BB: $8.20
UTG: $6.60
MP1: $10.45
MP2: $11.05
MP3: $16
CO: $8.70
Button: $14.35

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with
6 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.20, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, BB calls.

Turn: ($0.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB calls.

River: ($1.30, 2 players)
Hero checks...

IMO this was a good spot to check-raise. The way he'd called me down made me put him on a big spade. If it was the As I'd be raking it in, as my river check would look like a surrender after a missed flush/straight draw. If he had As-rag then he'd certainly bet thinking Aces up was the best hand. If he had shit, then my check after flop/river aggression on a drawy board looks weak and he'd take advantage of that.

... BB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, BB calls.

Results
Final Pot: $7.30
Hero shows Ah, 7h - a full house, Aces full of sevens.
BB mucks.
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:57 PM
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My first thought is that you don't have Aces full, is this not 7s full of Aces?

My second thought and also unrelated to the question is that PF is pretty bad.

As for the question, given that it is BvB I think his range is wide enough to include a lot of hands that he checks behind here. Without a strong read I bet out.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:11 PM
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Yeah. I almost never complete the SB if folded to me. If you pop this up here to 35c you are risking 30c to win 15c. If he folds over 2/3 of the time we show an immediate profit even if we check-fold every fold. Most players do fold their BB this frequently when the SB opens so raising with a wide range from the SB is correct. There are exceptions when I think open limping is OK:

1. The BB is very loose passive preflop with stats like 50/5 and we have a mediocre hand like J7o, 34o etc. In this case if we raise we are often called and if we limp we are rarely raised. This means the chance of taking the pot preflop is not high and the chance of seeing a flop with a marginal hand at 3:1 if we limp is very high. In this instance limping becomes move with the highest EV.

2. We have a decent hand against an incredibly LAG opponent who will raise withalmost any 2 if we open limp. In this case limp-reraising with hands even as weak as ATs or 88 becomes a play worth considering.

Your hand here seems strong enough to play with a raise but not strong enough to slowplay against a LAG so I see no reason to not raiser this preflop.

I don't like your flop bet having limped to be honest, you're pretty much bluffing on this board.

Turn bet is fine.

River: Do we have any reason to expect this guy to bet? He very likely checks even AJ behind in my opinion with the straights and flushes possible but almost certainly calls a bet. If he does bet a hand as weak as Ax he can almost certainly fold it to a check-raise. We need him to have Ks or a 9 and turn it into a bluff pretty frquently and know he's aggressiv/bluffy to check here I think. I'd just bet $1 and put it all in if raised.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:16 PM
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My first thought is that you don't have Aces full, is this not 7s full of Aces?
Yes. Sssh. I keep mistitling threads, I think it's 'cos I subconciously want to look a prat.

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My second thought and also unrelated to the question is that PF is pretty bad.
Yes. Sssh. Should've raised.

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As for the question, given that it is BvB I think his range is wide enough to include a lot of hands that he checks behind here. Without a strong read I bet out.
Dang. Sssh. Er... that's it. Now for Wota's stuff.

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Yeah. I almost never complete the SB if folded to me. If you pop this up here to 35c you are risking 30c to win 15c. If he folds over 2/3 of the time we show an immediate profit even if we check-fold every fold.
Duly noted.

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I don't like your flop bet having limped to be honest, you're pretty much bluffing on this board.
That's almost exactly what it was.

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He very likely checks even AJ behind in my opinion with the straights and flushes possible but almost certainly calls a bet.
Funny you should say AJ... Heh, you're right though.
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pf limp is super lame, raise that shiatttt
i'd usually just c/f this flop, dont really like the bet
turn is fine
i think the river is actually pretty sexy, but i would c/r bigger to like 4 or 4.50
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