NL2, i know this is pretty easy for most, but do i even call with 2 2, small small pocket pair, to a raise or no?

i know im not raising this

just wanna make sure the call is right here, of course NL2, loose table, no real reads so far

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($4.29)
UTG ($2)
MP ($5.47)
CO ($1.58)
Button ($7.52)
Hero ($9.19)
Hero is SB with .
Pre-Flop:
Geronimomo: folds
Praeser 75: calls $0.02
UFCtapout99: folds
feindlos: raises $0.08 to $0.10
MrSpanky23: Hero???

I might of messed up the converter but you can get the point

id be thinking that this is a surefire call pf since ur getting massive implied odds.....its costing you 9c to call but the Button has $7 behind him and MP $5 if u manage to hit a set and one or both of them cant let their hands go.

well, thats my opinion on it so dont take it as gospel just yet

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I'll call a raise with a small PP.

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well i thought so but wasnt sure

its NL2 so u have no idea what they have sometimes just wanted to see what im doing right or wrong here

call all raises with pocket pairs, every 8th time you'll get rewarded nicely

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I call unless it's a big raise and I'd be just heads up. Play to flop a set, c/f if you don't.

Similar hand was posted a couple of days ago by MJPerrry, where wota explained very well why you can call with implied odds.

Hand notes version:
You can call any raise as long as your stack and villains stack is over 12 times the call amount, so basically don't set mine against a short stack. That gives you enough implied odds to hope to hit a 2 on the flop. I added in this case, AA/KK is the hand you hope villain has, as he's most likely to stack off to you in this case, so call a big raise, fold the flop if you don't hit a 2

This is a good subject for discussion, with a lot of views posted already, but I just wanted to add my comments with regards to cash games.

Playing small pairs is tricky and as with most hands is situation dependant.

Most arguments here seem to be to call with implied odds. Fine. But there seems to be some misunderstanding here as to what implied odds are. Just because the person has enough of a stack behind him to cover the required implied odds of 8-1 doesn't mean you HAVE the implied odds. They are only implied if the players are likely to build the pot to 8 x the amount of your call once the flop has come down.

So, for example, if the villain has a habit of serial raising any limpers and/or the blinds, and then subsequently closes down when missing the flop you do not have the implied odds to call his raise.

Likewise if the villain is a tight player who raises and doesn't continuation bet after the flop, again you do not have the implied odds unless they pair one of their cards too (which is likely to be 1 in 3 times).

If there are one or two callers after the initial raise then you may think this gives you a better chance of getting the implied odds. Yes it does, but what are the other players likely to be calling a raise with. Possibly a better low pocket pair. If they miss then there will invariably be over cards then they are not putting in any more $$$. If they hit then no one is good enough to get away from set over set and your whole stacks will go in. Not pleasing for the set hitting profit margins.

So when do I play low pocket pairs?

Mainly I try to get into a limped pot and then fit or fold, trying to control the pot size when I hit if there are many callers until the turn or river danger is over. Or I will call to a raise from a loose aggressive player who is definitely gonna continuation bet the flop and will call a re raise at least before the turn.

So in essence I do not call many small pairs pre flop in the face of a raise. I think there is no embarrasment in folding these hands and waiting for a better spot. Better a dollar saved than a dollar lost.

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i agree that you Have to look at the stack sizes to make sure that the implied odds are possible. and also that just because the stacks are there, doesn't necessarily mean that the implied odds are there for some of the reasons Jester mentioned.

i'll happily call a raise with small pockets when in position. in this particular instance, you've got the worst position possible, so if ever the was a time i'd think about taking a pass, it'd be from where you're sitting in this hand.

just so someone asks, are you at all worried about the big blind squeezing on you, and say, 3-betting large?

looking at these stack sizes, i have to think that even if there are times when you hit but come up short in potSize, and of course you'll swing and miss too, but there are some times when you'll really bang a home run in this scenerio. if the raiser is aggressive, i'd call the $.08. i fully expect it to be +EV if you can manouver it postFlop.

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