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Old 10-17-2007, 10:54 PM
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Default NL2 6-max Top Two vs. the field

Once again standard? Flop raise too much? lol No reads on the opponents so I assumed typical NL2 donks.

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($4.11)
UTG ($2.16)
MP ($0.77)
Hero ($5.65)
SB ($6.38)
Hero is Button with .
Pre-Flop:
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP raises to $0.22, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Flop raise was a standard (4xBB + 1xLimper) button raise with a good hand. MP, of course, donk limp-reraises. Should I have 4-bet this or is the call OK in position with plenty of dead money, or should I have put him all-in here? MP only had about 0.55 left after the donkraise.

Flop: (Pot=$1.10) (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.20, Hero raises to $5.43 All-In, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls All-In.
Just the flop I wanted to see. A two-toned top two. MP donk-bets this. I thought for a few and decided that I didn't want anyone chasing a flush here. If MP had AA or QQ, then so be it. I pushed and everyone else folded. MP calls with his last 0.35.

Dumb overshove?
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Yeah I would have just raised to $1 here.
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Yeah I would have just raised to $1 here.
So, say I raise to $1 and get 1 or 2 callers. Turn is . What size bet are we calling? Folding? Check behind if checked to?
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So, say I raise to $1 and get 1 or 2 callers. Turn is . What size bet are we calling? Folding? Check behind if checked to?
I honestly am not entirely sure what I would do. I would just pray it wasnt a heart. We want to bet enough to deny odds to the flush chasers. I kind of want to see a turn here so that if it does come heart we can safely get away from someones push. I still think your time to bet is the flop though. Also it seems funny to push over the top of the shortstack in this position as well with two people left to act. I dont know, it just seems like a shove here is scary considering how many people will draw with their whole stack at NL2. I just say bet enough to deny odds and no more. Reevaluate on the turn. If the turn is not a heart I then shove of course.

The Queen of hearts would be nice on the turn...
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So, say I raise to $1 and get 1 or 2 callers. Turn is . What size bet are we calling? Folding? Check behind if checked to?
Value betting. Shove the rest in.
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Why not just give them bad odds to chase their flush instead of impossible ones?
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Because it's NL2 and they'll call with a naked 4.
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Because it's NL2 and they'll call with a naked 4.
That's no reason.

We want them to call with bad odds.
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That's no reason.

We want them to call with bad odds.
Even with a 110 Big Blind pot? Wouldn't maximizing the chances of winning the pot with a big hand trump extracting value out of the flush donkeys on a pot this big? The only reason I ask this is one of the things Sklansky seems to preach is to maximize your chances to win the big pots.
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Even with a 110 Big Blind pot? Wouldn't maximizing the chances of winning the pot with a big hand trump extracting value out of the flush donkeys on a pot this big? The only reason I ask this is one of the things Sklansky seems to preach is to maximize your chances to win the big pots.
110BB pot = medium sized

If you want a big pot you're going to need to allow them to chase (preferably with unfavourable odds)
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