[shalesey_boy]

Ok guys, this was very early in my session. Villain is a standard $100NL LAG 20/15/1.5. I've played maybe 100 hands total with him and 5 this session. He can make check raises with anything from TP/TK, TP med kicker, 2 pair to a set.

OnGame's Room No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) by Hand Converter CG

Button ($17.30)
SB ($292.35)
BB ($101.75)
Hero ($101.00)
MP ($14.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $4, MP folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($44.50) (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero.................

[WotaWaster]

This hand has to go on the turn if not not the flop.

Hes 3betting Ak almost always preflop.
The only draw he can have is the J and if he has a J he will almost always have something else between 9 and A with it. This means he has 2 pair as well as straight outs if he isn't already beating us.

Fold and move on in my opinion.

[jharding666]

Yeah I probably find it hard to fold the flop but the turn is definitely a fold for me.

I'm thinking his range is TT/QQ(sometimes)/KQs/Pair+OESD

We have very little chance of our hand improving (and to the best hand) and there are no likely hands that we are a decent favourite against. Therefore I see no reason to committ.

[shalesey_boy]

Yeah, after the hand I suspected this is a flop fold. The board was way too dangerous. However I was in early session stubborn mode and couldn't let it go (I am a gay, I Know!). The guy had AJ and got me to put all my money in drawing to 3 outs for a split and then value bet me on the river.

My instincts said fold on the flop but it was early doors and I just couldn't do it.

[davidab157]

This is a flop fold for me. I'm not sure what calling the flop accomplishes if you plan to let it go on a blank turn. IMO if you call the flop you need a read that your opponent is weak enough, and then jam it on the turn.

As played though, and without that read, fold.

[WotaWaster]

Originally Posted by davidab157

This is a flop fold for me. I'm not sure what calling the flop accomplishes if you plan to let it go on a blank turn. IMO if you call the flop you need a read that your opponent is weak enough, and then jam it on the turn.

As played though, and without that read, fold.

Alot of players will make a check raise there with Kx, Jx for the straight draw or a random bluff and give up and check turn when called so I don't mind calling flop folding turn just to make them fire that 2nd barrell.

[shalesey_boy]

Originally Posted by davidab157

This is a flop fold for me. I'm not sure what calling the flop accomplishes if you plan to let it go on a blank turn. IMO if you call the flop you need a read that your opponent is weak enough, and then jam it on the turn.

As played though, and without that read, fold.

My call on the flop was to ascertain if he had AK. I think AK plays the same there or as Wota says and also AK, AT and AQ. I feel they might also fire a second bullet depending on the opponent.

I think if you are always folding AA on the flop there then you are getting pushed around a little too much, good players will pick up and that and make moves on you when the flop is scary.

I think the only way to really know is a 4 bet on the flop with a fold to a shove. With the uncertainty that I had this is probably my best line.

[davidab157]

I'd rather 3bet than call against a LAG.

I should add I also like a check behind on the flop for pot control here.

[WotaWaster]

Originally Posted by davidab157

I'd rather 4bet than call against a LAG.

I should add I also like a check behind on the flop for pot control here.

I missed that. Check behind for me as well.

3betting flop to fold to a shove is awful. He will still shove hands we beat like KJ QJ etc and fold only stone cold bluffs.

[jharding666]

Originally Posted by WotaWaster

I missed that. Check behind for me as well.

3betting flop to fold to a shove is awful. He will still shove hands we beat like KJ QJ etc and fold only stone cold bluffs.

Agreed, 3 bet/folding should be reserved for bluffs only.