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Old 10-15-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default 100nl Easy check fold on flop?

Villain is 23/19/3. Not many hands but I'm guessing he's a grinder. Should I ever cbet this flop? Is this just an easy c/f?

I don't always 3bet this preflop, alot of the time I just fold, but I figure his raising range to be fairly large pf.

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Hero ($100)
UTG ($121.70)
MP ($83.20)
CO ($38.05)
Button ($111.25)
SB ($111.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $3.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $12.5, MP calls $9.

Flop: ($25.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $19
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Old 10-15-2007, 01:54 PM
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i really dont see why you 3bet this kind of player with a trash hand like this, unless you have some read that he folds too much to 3bets, or you try to tilt him or sth. You are putting yourself in a tricky spot (if called) for no reason. I'd rather 3bet with some SC's than AJo, if i was to 3bet here.

i probably ckeck fold this flop

but what do i know, i'm just a weak tight fish...
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:19 PM
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i really dont see why you 3bet this kind of player with a trash hand like this, unless you have some read that he folds too much to 3bets, or you try to tilt him or sth. You are putting yourself in a tricky spot (if called) for no reason. I'd rather 3bet with some SC's than AJo, if i was to 3bet here.

i probably ckeck fold this flop

but what do i know, i'm just a weak tight fish...
Alot of the time, if you are going to 3bet light, you want to do it with a hand with the least equity.

I would say 3betting with AJo is far better than with 9Ts. The reason is you want to be seeing flops with your SC's and the like, you want the chance to flop a 2 pair/straight/big draw and stack the guy. IMO 3betting too often with these hands turns a decent equity holding into too much of a bluff. Obv I'm not saying never 3bet with SC's, but I just don't think they are the prime hands we should 3bet with. From the cardrunners vids I've watched, people like sbrugby and cts say alot that they'd rather 3bet something like T4o than 9Ts

Now I'm not calling AJo here, and the standard play would be to fold. But 3betting it now and again, this way I kinda "know where I'm at" as I play it and I don't miss out on equity I could've gained from seeing a flop as it really won't play well if I just call.

The question is, when I 3bet this should I just give up on these kind of flops? I tend to just c/f alot, but I'm not sure if I'm losing value by not repping the big pair I want him to think I have.
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I dont know how often he calls the 3bet, but i think that your hand does not do well against his calling range.
I assume if you hit just a top pair type hand, you could be in trouble.....
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Dont 3bet good players who raise from MP when you will be out of position with AJo.

If he raises from CO or Button its a 3bet.
If he is maniacal its OK to 3bet
If hes very weak tight 3betting is OK.

Based on the fact you have no real read and the read you do have suggests he is a solid player I would pass.
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I agree with wota

This is a c/f for me because when we resteal PF with trash, the reason why we do this against certain players is that although the risk is high, it works a fair amount of the time. Say our typical resteal from the button is 14 vs a raise to 4, we are risking 14 to win $5.50 so in order to be profitable it needs to work approx. 60% of the time. This isn't a far fetched figure and can easily be achieved, so therefore as long as we are taking it down over 60% of the time PF we have made a profitable bet and don't need to continue without a hand. If we always CB in these spots then the success rate would need to be significantly higher for the resteal to take it down PF.
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Yeah I agree that villain being MP isn't great here.

As played though, how often do you cbet this flop?
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Yeah I agree that villain being MP isn't great here.

As played though, how often do you cbet this flop?
Against this opponent I never cbet this flop

I realised my calc was wrong earlier and that we actually need to be successful about 72% of the time (done in my head though), I was in a rush when I replied this morning!
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