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Old 10-15-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default 50nl Marginal hand vs LAG "fish"

Villain is 61/26/2.3 over 200 hands. When I sat down I saw the ending of a hand where this guy stacked of AK on a J high flop for about 100bb. I don't quite know if there was history with the other guy or what, but it seemed quite spewy. Since then I haven't seen anything to suggest maniacal spewage, but I'd imagine he's quite loose.

How's my line here? Would a flop 3bet be better than a call? As played is anyone shoving it in on this turn? He pretty much insta potted it.

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Button ($50.85)
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BB ($117.40)
Hero ($47.75)
MP ($30.65)
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) , , (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $12.75, Hero calls $9.75.

Turn: ($29.25) (2 players)
BB bets $29.25, Hero ???
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Your mistake is on the flop. By calling his raise you committed yourself to the hand with no plan of action.

I fold the flop and definitely fold the turn, if he is that spewy then we just need to be patient.
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How did the flop call commit me?
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How did the flop call commit me?
You have about 30% of your stack in the middle so you on the verge of committment. In a NL hand you shouldn't be putting in 1/3 of your stack and folding. Approaching this boundary you shouldn't be going forward without a plan
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Well I hadn't quite put in 1/3 of the stack so I knew I could still get away if I needed to on the turn. I did have a plan and that was to re-evaluate depending on the card (not a great plan admittedly).

I think folding the flop against this guy is -ev as there's a good chance we have the best hand, but I'm not sure it's quite good enough to be stacking off on the flop. The problem with calling obv is letting the overcard hit, but tbh if it wasn't a K or A I doubt I fold this considering the looseness of the villain. I was very nearly shoving it in on the turn but I think his range includes too many Kx and Ax hands to make it profitable.
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Well I hadn't quite put in 1/3 of the stack so I knew I could still get away if I needed to on the turn. I did have a plan and that was to re-evaluate depending on the card (not a great plan admittedly).

I think folding the flop against this guy is -ev as there's a good chance we have the best hand, but I'm not sure it's quite good enough to be stacking off on the flop. The problem with calling obv is letting the overcard hit, but tbh if it wasn't a K or A I doubt I fold this considering the looseness of the villain. I was very nearly shoving it in on the turn but I think his range includes too many Kx and Ax hands to make it profitable.
I'm surprised you didn't just shove the flop then
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I'm surprised you didn't just shove the flop then
Well yeah, that might've been the better play against this guy. I think what stopped me from doing that is I'm not sure how light he calls off his chips but I was fairly sure he bets them very light.
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