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09-22-2007, 05:58 PM
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100nl - QQ folding PF
UTG is a nob and is 22/12/2 over 600 hands
CO is 18/12/3 and has been making a lot of squeezes (or that's what they look like, of course it could be genuine hands). Given the action before him I don't see this being a squeeze, also his 3bet is smaller than I'd expect from this player given the cold caller.
I expect UTG to call, especially if I call
It's funny because I've 4betted AK in this exact same scenario before (obv with different reads etc.) I just had a feeling I was in a lot of trouble here.
Cryptologic Network No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
saw flop| saw showdown
Button ($120)
SB ($27)
Hero ($119)
UTG ($97)
MP ($163.15)
CO ($97.90)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, CO raises to $14, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP folds.
Final Pot: $23.50
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09-22-2007, 07:33 PM
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seems a bit nitty, but you have to go w/ your reads i suppose
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09-23-2007, 03:12 AM
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I don't think it's bad at all. CO seems relatively solid given the stats and I doubt he's 3betting a 22/12 UTG raiser that light, I would imagine it's a real hand most of the time.
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09-23-2007, 03:28 AM
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Calling - just mixing it up from a 3bet pf?
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09-23-2007, 03:30 AM
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It is a fairly conservative play but I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with it. If you put him as being a good player too, then it makes even more sense to fold.
You could flop a Q but if there's a K or A out there then you're going to lose all your money. You're in the BB too of course which really makes your fold good. You lost only your BB and didn't have to play OOP with QQ vs 2 limpers and a huge reraise vs a TAG.
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Why would we be calling though? To setmine? To c/r the flop?
If we're setmining we're not getting good enough implied odds and if we're c/r or even putting money in on a flop with no A or K, then we should be 4betting pf imo.
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Actually one limper because of the original raiser. The original raiser could still easily have had AA or KK as it was a 4-bet after all.
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09-23-2007, 04:01 AM
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Why would we be calling though? To setmine? To c/r the flop?
If we're setmining we're not getting good enough implied odds and if we're c/r or even putting money in on a flop with no A or K, then we should be 4betting pf imo.
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Is this in reference to my post? I mean calling the original raise, why not 3bet initially? I'm guessing the smooth call was just to mix it up.
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09-23-2007, 04:45 AM
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Is this in reference to my post? I mean calling the original raise, why not 3bet initially? I'm guessing the smooth call was just to mix it up.
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He's in the bb, 3bet was already in by the time the action got around.
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Seems like a good fold given the stats and your position.
The only way I could see you making money in this situation is if your raiser had AK and the flop was AQK.
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