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09-19-2007, 03:34 PM
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NL10 KQo
Too much?
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
Hero ($4.45)
UTG ($3)
UTG+1 ($11.91)
MP1 ($11.28)
MP2 ($3.55)
CO ($17.45)
Button ($4.83)
SB ($5.75)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  . UTG posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG (poster) checks, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.2, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10.
Flop: ($1)  ,  , (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.3, UTG folds, MP2 raises to $0.6, Button calls $0.60, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.4, MP2 folds, Button folds.
Final Pot: $5.60
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09-19-2007, 03:43 PM
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Standard. Straights are too easily outdrawn, a paired board or another club could felt you.
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09-19-2007, 03:49 PM
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Hmm, the weak lead/3bet line. Me and jharding were talking about this a while ago, he was saying it's almost always a monster, you show that here lol.
I would bet 75c on the flop and 3bet pot from there.
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09-20-2007, 06:42 AM
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I'm definitely not the expert on playing KQ, but I think you should reraise PF. Do you really want 6 to the flop with KQo OOP? Are you willing to muck your hand when the flop is K73 and someone throws in a big reraise? Besides thinning the field, it might be a cheaper way to see if MP2 really has a hand or not. (I HATE minraise donkeys). Maybe if it was suited then calling would be OK due to the flush possibility, but like I said, I'm not real sure.
I think the flop reraise was a little excessive. Maybe 2.70, but you should have bet more initially. Like David said, 75 sounds about right, though I would probably vary it between 70-80 cents.
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09-20-2007, 08:11 AM
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I'm not keen on 3betting this pf without a read that the original raiser is doing it with weak hands and has a fold button. Effective stacks are small too, 35bb is too small imo. I get the feeling here we would inflate the pot OOP and I don't think the fold equity is great. Besides, by calling we get to see a cheap flop and can re-evaluate from there.
I disagree with your example though triple. If you 3bet this pf and get a call and then the flop comes K73, we are putting in alot more money than had we just called pf and infact we're bordering on committing ourself to stacking off given that the raiser has only 35bb.
I think calling is fine, and if the raise was 4bb I would be happy to fold.
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09-20-2007, 08:39 AM
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I'm not sure I like reraising pf. With a hand like KQ aren't you essentially doing the same thing you'd do with 22, but in this case TTP/straightmining rather than setmining?
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09-20-2007, 09:00 AM
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As I said, I'm not an expert on playing KQ, and definitely not a cash player. My reasoning was that I don't like seeing the flop 6-handed OOP with KQ. But I see the reasoning for it. As MJ said, we are playing this like we do Ax suited and suited connectors...Looking to hit the flop hard.
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09-20-2007, 09:20 AM
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That flop lead is honestly terrible. Any flush draw has good odds to call, as does a set to draw to a full house if he doesn't want to raise.
I am probably putting in a big check raise but if I lead I am making it at the very least 60c, and probably closer to full pot.
These weak leads tend to allow people to put in a raise for relatively cheap to "find out where they are at" and confidently fold to your 3bet.
If you lead for 80c their raise is going to be to $2 and now we are starting to build a pot.
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