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09-14-2007, 04:17 AM
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Stu Ungar
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NL10 AJ
Villian unknown. Thought for a long time before calling preflop. Can I check behind on flop?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
saw flop| saw showdown
Hero ($10.35)
Button ($6.80)
SB ($8.30)
BB ($18.10)
UTG ($10.35)
Preflop: Hero is MP with  ,  .
UTG raises to $0.3, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.70.
Flop: ($2.15)  ,  , (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.4, UTG raises to $4
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09-14-2007, 12:58 PM
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There are alot of people who say you should almost always bet the flop after 3betting pf, but I would check here. I don't think you get a call from many worse hands. I would check and let him have a stab at it with 77-KK, I think you get more value this way than by betting. You also control the pot size for when he has AQ/AK etc.
btw I'm not overly keen on the 3bet pf. I'd give an unknown UTG raiser some credit to start with, I'd probably call and take a flop in position. It's not terrible though.
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09-14-2007, 06:25 PM
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Stu Ungar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davidab157
There are alot of people who say you should almost always bet the flop after 3betting pf, but I would check here. I don't think you get a call from many worse hands. I would check and let him have a stab at it with 77-KK, I think you get more value this way than by betting. You also control the pot size for when he has AQ/AK etc.
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Those were 100% my thoughts. He was never c/cing this flop so I could basically smell the c/r coming leaving me with no idea what to do.
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09-15-2007, 03:42 AM
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It sucks but you have to fold to the c/r
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09-15-2007, 04:22 AM
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I agree that this is a good spot to check behind.
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09-15-2007, 05:49 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Thanks for replies, I did fold.
Had I called, I'm basically committed to call any turn shove bar a K/Q right?
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09-17-2007, 07:01 PM
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I would have called to see Turn. Like someone mentioned, he might have 77-KK and still reraise you, just to confirm that you do have an Ace. I would again bet the turn for about 1/2 pot. Now if he still reraise you, it is clear that he has you beat. (But you are never sure, you may get brain-damaged player to go all in in 77-KK even though you made it clear that you have an Ace.)
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09-17-2007, 07:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maltz
I would again bet the turn for about 1/2 pot. Now if he still reraise you, it is clear that he has you beat.
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Looks at stack sizes. If i call flop c/r any turn bet is a shove.
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09-18-2007, 12:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maltz
I would have called to see Turn. Like someone mentioned, he might have 77-KK and still reraise you, just to confirm that you do have an Ace.
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He's not check-raising with 77-KK in a 3bet pot.
I said check behind so you can let him fire at the the pot on the turn with 77-KK, calling the raise is terrible unless you have a great read. And yeah, calling commits you to felting it.
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