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Old 09-11-2007, 05:58 AM
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Villain is new to the table and i have no stats on him. He instaraised me all-in on the flop....i figured he probably had Ax of hearts, a higher overpair or nothing. What do you guys think?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($6.97)
SB ($6.46)
BB ($23.08)
Hero ($15.23)
MP ($15.82)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , . Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
MP raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $1.9, MP calls $15.82 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.82

Results in white below:
MP doesn't show.
Outcome: MP wins $19.82.



*EDIT* Converter fucked up, I'm BB.
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, xh or QQ+.

I'm probably folding there too.
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Insta-fold without a read.

I'd have 3-bet PF, though.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:27 AM
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I don't like flat calling pre,to then lead flop and fold to a shove.

If you call preflop I would be either:

Check-fold flop
Check-raise flop
Check-call flop
Bet flop and call a shove

By betting flop and folding to a push you lose a cbet if he decides to fold his overs/bluff but also allow yourself to get pushed off the best hand if he turns his overs into a bluff on flop.
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I don't like flat calling pre,to then lead flop and fold to a shove.

If you call preflop I would be either:

Check-fold flop
Check-raise flop
Check-call flop
Bet flop and call a shove

By betting flop and folding to a push you lose a cbet if he decides to fold his overs/bluff but also allow yourself to get pushed off the best hand if he turns his overs into a bluff on flop.
So basically, Wota, you are saying that calling PF is OK if we do any of the 4 actions you mentioned, but 3-betting PF is OK if we are leading out the flop?
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Yes. I honestly don't think calling or 3betting is better here, each has it's own merits.

Here having called preflop I go for the check-raise flop and call all in.
He's an unknown and first to act so his range is pretty debatable but even if we put it at AQ+ and TT+ and think he cbets every time with all these hands then we have good enough odds to get TT all in. If it is 22+, AJ+ and KQ or soemthing we have even better equity.
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I would put a default push range on this flop as 44, 55, 99+, A9h+, and maybe AK. If we 3-bet PF and he 4-bets us, then that range can be narrowed as I would put him on TT+, AQh+, and maybe AK.

I don't have PokerStove installed at work so I can't figure out our equity here. Do these default ranges look reasonable?
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