|

09-06-2007, 01:16 PM
|
 |
Super Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 7,113
Limits Played: $0.50-$1 NL
|
|
50nl JJ vs co-ordinated flop action
Villain is 35/5/2. Doesn't like raising much pf but calls fairly light and is not afraid to put money in postflop, he doesn't need the nuts to do it.
WTF do I do here?
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
SB ($115.80)
BB ($81.80)
UTG ($54)
Hero ($52.95)
Button ($65.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP with  ,  .
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25.
Flop: ($5.25)  ,  , (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $27, Hero ???????
__________________
For Free Money, Rakeback and some 6x Ongame bonuses, I recommend PokerSource.
I recommend Cardrunners for superb poker coaching. It was honestly the single biggest improvement in my game signing up there! Sign-up fee might seem steep, but it pays itself back within weeks.
Last edited by davidab157; 09-06-2007 at 01:32 PM.
|
| Sponsored Links |
|

09-06-2007, 01:31 PM
|
 |
Poker Professional
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,695
Limits Played: $2-$4 NL
|
|
im feeling a shove. im not sure how he plays his premiums PF, but from what you tell me, it seems he thinks you missed the flop and hes 3 betting to get you to fold.
on the other hand ive seen limps OOP with 44 33 77, so he could have been calling PF for set value, but i just dont see him leading out on that flop if he hit a set.
so im going with my original answer of a push.
__________________
AsuitedKing: justify the call
EhRa: he hits his set und waited that i hitz something and he dindt play he only goes allin
EhRa: tahts a big donk ... so ****
|

09-06-2007, 01:31 PM
|
|
Mike McDermott
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 4,443
Limits Played: $1-$2 NL
|
|
davidab157157 (9:06:45 PM): what to do?
jamesharding86 (9:09:40 PM): scream?
jamesharding86 (9:09:43 PM): lol
jamesharding86 (9:10:26 PM): bloody hell this is a tough one cos his range is so wide
jamesharding86 (9:10:50 PM): he could have set/straight/overpair to board/pair+gutshot
jamesharding86 (9:11:00 PM): maybe even A7?
davidab157157 (9:11:15 PM): yeah
davidab157157 (9:11:24 PM): given that range i put it into pokerstove
davidab157157 (9:11:30 PM): and it came out 50/50
jamesharding86 (9:11:48 PM): i think i let this one go (typed before i heard it was 50/50 according to pokerstove)
The reason I said fold was because the fish bet/3 bet always represents MASSIVE strength, even more so than check min raises!!! 
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
LOL. David "Double Barell" ab157 says check. Check it is.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
Brag: I cashed out $25k into a $ based bank account and have been to lazy to change it into £'s and earned hundreds of pounds through my laziness.
|
|

09-06-2007, 03:29 PM
|
 |
PokerForums God
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 5,015
Limits Played: $2-$4 NL
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by trippedupA-Town
im feeling a shove. im not sure how he plays his premiums PF, but from what you tell me, it seems he thinks you missed the flop and hes 3 betting to get you to fold.
|
This seems a bit of a stretch. Min betting in the hope he will get raised so he can then 3bet and force you to fold as a stone cold bluff.
There are no straight draws and no flush draws. Seems a weird line to take with 88-TT. You don't have a huge amount invested in the pot and are essentially going all in for $40 to win $60 here.
I would fold.
|

09-06-2007, 03:50 PM
|
 |
Staff News Poster
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London
Posts: 3,880
Limits Played: $0.10-$0.25 NL
|
|
What beats us: AA, KK, QQ, 77, 33, 44, 56.
I can see 77, 33, 44 and 56 (sooted) calling PF here.
What we beat that would call an all-in assuming villain isn't a complete donk: TT, 99, 88 and maybe A7.
I fold.
|

09-06-2007, 04:12 PM
|
 |
Super Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 7,113
Limits Played: $0.50-$1 NL
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
This seems a bit of a stretch. Min betting in the hope he will get raised so he can then 3bet and force you to fold as a stone cold bluff.
There are no straight draws and no flush draws. Seems a weird line to take with 88-TT. You don't have a huge amount invested in the pot and are essentially going all in for $40 to win $60 here.
I would fold.
|
It wasn't a minbet. It was a bit on the small side, but still min would be 50c.
No straight draws? Are we discounting 55/66 completely here?
I know jharding disagrees with me here but I don't think it's that odd a line to take with 88-TT and if I put that range into pokerstove (33-TT,56) it's pretty much 50/50.
__________________
For Free Money, Rakeback and some 6x Ongame bonuses, I recommend PokerSource.
I recommend Cardrunners for superb poker coaching. It was honestly the single biggest improvement in my game signing up there! Sign-up fee might seem steep, but it pays itself back within weeks.
|

09-06-2007, 04:22 PM
|
 |
PokerForums God
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 5,015
Limits Played: $2-$4 NL
|
|
55-66 check-calls or check-raises most of the time imo.
I would almost never expect to see anything except a set or straight with a villain taking this line. Infact if he can turn up with a bluff in this spot I would be very afraid of playing him.
|

09-06-2007, 04:28 PM
|
|
Mike McDermott
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 4,443
Limits Played: $1-$2 NL
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
Infact if he can turn up with a bluff in this spot I would be very afraid of playing him.
|
I knew there was a reason you weren't playing crypto 
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
LOL. David "Double Barell" ab157 says check. Check it is.
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
Brag: I cashed out $25k into a $ based bank account and have been to lazy to change it into £'s and earned hundreds of pounds through my laziness.
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:20 AM.
|
 |
|