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Old 05-09-2007, 06:44 PM
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Playing in the local poker room, it's limit and I'm sitting at the 3/6 table. The guy to my right was all over me saying I played it bad, but the guy to my left said I played it correctly and I feel in retrospect that I did. So here it is, you tell me.

I'm BB and have A8o, four players in the hand, no raises. The flop came 888. SB checks, I check, UTG bets $3, MP bets $3, SB folds, I call. Turn is Kd. I check, UTG checks, MP bets $6, I call, UTG hims and haws for a couple of minutes then folds. River was a 4c. I bet $6 out then and MP calls. Of course I take it down.

The guy to my right said I was an idiot for not check raising the turn, but my thinking was, he fired out after the flop and the turn, if I raised him he folds, but if I get to the river with him, I can bet out hope he at least calls, which he does, or even re-raises. Was I wrong?
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Old 05-09-2007, 07:32 PM
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Playing in the local poker room, it's limit and I'm sitting at the 3/6 table. The guy to my right was all over me saying I played it bad, but the guy to my left said I played it correctly and I feel in retrospect that I did. So here it is, you tell me.

I'm BB and have A8o, four players in the hand, no raises. The flop came 888. SB checks, I check, UTG bets $3, MP bets $3, SB folds, I call. Turn is Kd. I check, UTG checks, MP bets $6, I call, UTG hims and haws for a couple of minutes then folds. River was a 4c. I bet $6 out then and MP calls. Of course I take it down.

The guy to my right said I was an idiot for not check raising the turn, but my thinking was, he fired out after the flop and the turn, if I raised him he folds, but if I get to the river with him, I can bet out hope he at least calls, which he does, or even re-raises. Was I wrong?
Unless the quads are made from pockets (and mid level pockets at that) it is usually not going to yield a lot of cash. I'm not sure if check raising would have yielded you any more money. Betting on the turn would really depend on the characteristic of your previous play instead of the resulting cards.
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Old 05-09-2007, 10:35 PM
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Check-raising the turn was probably the right play. In a live 3/6 game the guy is going to call your raise and river bet with almost anything. If he happened to have absolutely nothing and fold to the check-raise then he would not be calling the river bet anyway, so nothing is lost. By just calling the turn you have a chance to draw in the UTG player for another bet, but at this point he will only call a bet with a high PP or a K, and would probably also call your raise with the K.

I think you make the wrong argument for playing it the way you did, the only argument for not check-raising the turn is to get another bet out of the UTG player.
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Old 05-09-2007, 11:44 PM
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Check-raising the turn was probably the right play. In a live 3/6 game the guy is going to call your raise and river bet with almost anything. If he happened to have absolutely nothing and fold to the check-raise then he would not be calling the river bet anyway, so nothing is lost. By just calling the turn you have a chance to draw in the UTG player for another bet, but at this point he will only call a bet with a high PP or a K, and would probably also call your raise with the K.

I think you make the wrong argument for playing it the way you did, the only argument for not check-raising the turn is to get another bet out of the UTG player.
I totally agree...raising would have made him know that you had quads... he would have imediately folded... You played it right
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:55 AM
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I totally agree...raising would have made him know that you had quads... he would have imediately folded... You played it right
Wait a minute, you quoted me then said this, but I didn't say he played it right. I said he should have check raised the turn.
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:04 AM
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I totally agree...raising would have made him know that you had quads... he would have imediately folded
It was 3/6 limit live. Nobody was folding any pair or ace at any point in the hand. Someone probably would have called down with 33 if the board was 888KA.
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I agree on check raising the turn, I dont think hes folding at all.
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sounds like the right move to me.
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