Cake Poker
Home
Forum
News
Articles
Site Reviews
Book Reviews
Interviews
Chat
Tournaments
60% Rakeback
50% RakebackNew!
125% Rakeback
Probabilities
Glossary
Poker Gear
Links
Advertise
User Name  
 
Password
Cookie?  
 
 
Poker Players on Launchpoker.com
LaunchPoker.com provides you with all the information you need about this year's WSOP event, from the 2008 WSOP schedule to the latest 2008 WSOP updates.
Online poker reviews of rooms such as Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars and Titan Poker.
Click here to play!
Extras

Cool Hand Poker. Get $350 Free!!
PokerListings

Go Back PokerForums.org > Strategy Discussion > Ring Hand Analysis > NL25 straight gets massive overbet

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 09:48 AM
davidab157's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 7,113
Trade Rating: (1)
Limits Played: $0.50-$1 NL
Send a message via AIM to davidab157
Default NL25 straight gets massive overbet

I'm pretty sure I made the right play but I'll post anyway to make sure. Villain is a bit of a donkey (seriously they are everywhere at UB, if you don't mind the variance get down there now) with stats of 60/33/1.47. I've been fairly tight, taken down a few decent pots without showing, but I really don't think he's the type of player to pay attention.

I'm not worried about SB here, but for the record the stats were 40/16/1.2

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($37.42)
UTG ($23.19)
Button ($37.51)
SB ($36.01)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.75) , , (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($0.75) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($0.75) (3 players)
SB bets $0.45, Hero raises to $2.1, Button raises to $37.26 (All-In), SB folds, Hero ???
__________________
For Free Money, Rakeback and some 6x Ongame bonuses, I recommend PokerSource.

I recommend Cardrunners for superb poker coaching. It was honestly the single biggest improvement in my game signing up there! Sign-up fee might seem steep, but it pays itself back within weeks.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 10:01 AM
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Virginia University
Posts: 3,150
Trade Rating: (1)
Limits Played: Play Money
Send a message via AIM to SeanyBullets1
Default

Well, I doubt anyone is stupid enough to make a 15x 3bet with a fullhouse unless they KNOW you've got the nut straight.

I call this ALL day. You've got a well-hidden nut straight, there is no flush, It's unlikely anyone filled up. I say you're against 2 pair, trip 3's, or a the low end straight: A2.

MAYBE even AA.
__________________
BOSS
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 10:25 AM
lairyboy's Avatar
Check Raiser
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 542
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

For some reason this bet screams quad 3s. Other than that you say he is a donkey, but even so I think the only two hands you can beat are trip 3s and A2. It is unlikely to be a bluff and it really looks like he was slow-playing the hell out of something. AA is kinda possible if he is a complete donkey, but I think it would have to be his first time ever with AA for him to play it like this. My money is on 33 or 44, but he would play 67 or A2 the same way, leaving you in a tough spot.

You played it perfectly, no reason for you to not raise the river. Looking at it now I fold to his re-raise, if I was actually at the table I would probably have called.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 01:03 PM
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 4,443
Trade Rating: (2)
Limits Played: $1-$2 NL
Send a message via AIM to jharding666
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanyBullets1 View Post

I call this ALL day. You've got a well-hidden nut straight,
Thats a 2nd nut straight seany

Considering how much money it is to call in to the pot I wouldn't say folding is a bad move but I think I still make the call. With his stats aren't we expecting him to raise all pp's PF from the button? I'd say 34 is more likely than 33 or 44.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 01:22 PM
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Virginia University
Posts: 3,150
Trade Rating: (1)
Limits Played: Play Money
Send a message via AIM to SeanyBullets1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jharding666 View Post
Thats a 2nd nut straight seany

Considering how much money it is to call in to the pot I wouldn't say folding is a bad move but I think I still make the call. With his stats aren't we expecting him to raise all pp's PF from the button? I'd say 34 is more likely than 33 or 44.


__________________
BOSS
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 04:04 PM
davidab157's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Nottingham, UK
Posts: 7,113
Trade Rating: (1)
Limits Played: $0.50-$1 NL
Send a message via AIM to davidab157
Default

I have to say I'm quite surprised that people are calling here. For 1.5 buyins with even pot odds, surely there's no way I'm ahead enough here?

Personally, I reckon he had something like 34 but what do I know....
__________________
For Free Money, Rakeback and some 6x Ongame bonuses, I recommend PokerSource.

I recommend Cardrunners for superb poker coaching. It was honestly the single biggest improvement in my game signing up there! Sign-up fee might seem steep, but it pays itself back within weeks.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 04:12 PM
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 4,443
Trade Rating: (2)
Limits Played: $1-$2 NL
Send a message via AIM to jharding666
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidab157 View Post
I have to say I'm quite surprised that people are calling here. For 1.5 buyins with even pot odds, surely there's no way I'm ahead enough here?

Personally, I reckon he had something like 34 but what do I know....
I said 34 therefore you are right
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 04:19 PM
the alex's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nort Side o' Shi-kawgo
Posts: 7,961
Trade Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to the alex Send a message via MSN to the alex Send a message via Yahoo to the alex
Default

FOLD!

His AF is 1.2 with a VPIP of 40. He's a caller, not a bettor.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 05:43 PM
WotaWaster's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 5,015
Trade Rating: (6)
Limits Played: $2-$4 NL
Send a message via AIM to WotaWaster Send a message via MSN to WotaWaster Send a message via Yahoo to WotaWaster
Default

Quote:
Well, I doubt anyone is stupid enough to make a 15x 3bet with a fullhouse unless they KNOW you've got the nut straight.
That doesn't make sense. I doubt anyone is stupid enough to bet that much as a bluff when their fold equity doesn't change greatly if they bet $10 instead of $37. He has a boat here way too often to make a call profitable.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 05-08-2007, 09:11 PM
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West Virginia University
Posts: 3,150
Trade Rating: (1)
Limits Played: Play Money
Send a message via AIM to SeanyBullets1
Default

I doubt anyone is stupid enough to listen to me give advice on a cash hand when I play SNGs
__________________
BOSS
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:23 PM.

   Designed by
      
No Deposit Bonus
Poker Strategy
Poker Rooms
PartyPoker Bonus Codes
Poker Site USA
Online Casino Bonuses
Pokerspiele
Casinos That Accept USA Players
Poker Rakeback
Full Tilt bonus code
Rakeback
Casino
Nowadays in the Internet the Players are looking for a good Casino Bonus to find the best possible options for online Roulette.There is now the option of RtlPoker and a nice Casino Bonus to play some other games then just Poker.
The ideal casino site for gokkasten and even online poker including online casino games that can be found on mijn online casino, your casino information site for when gambling online or even offline.
Party Poker bonus code & room review
Tony G talks about his experinces in his blog
REVIEW OF PARADISE POKER WEBSITE
Online Poker Room Directory and latest poker news
Best Online Poker info on Internet!
Ultimate Bet new 40% deposit bonus
Copyright © 2004-2008 PokerForums.org, a Merendi Networks Inc. project.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.