No reads on the villain, really. I know have at least 12 outs and maybe as many 15 if the villain has KQ or AQ. Should this kind of move be left to the MTTs and not cash games?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($94.45)
UTG+1 ($95.70)
MP1 ($46.55)
MP2 ($102.20)
MP3 ($73.25)
CO ($64.50)
Button ($62.15)
SB ($90.50)
BB ($56.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP1 calls $3, 2 folds, CO calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($12.50) , , (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, MP1 raises to $16, CO folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $91.45, MP1 calls $27.55 (All-In).

Turn: ($147.50) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($147.50) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $147.50

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks As (flush, ace high).
MP1 has Jc Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $147.50.

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I love the push but I'm a tournament player, lol

Out of position I like it more than I would have if u had position.

nh

(I'd make it $4 pre flop but that's just personal preference)

yes go for it. i'd hate not seeing all 5 cards here anyways.

Me likes it very much.

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I like it here because you have over double the chips of your opponent. You hope your A and K are outs but at worst, you still have 12, like you said.

If you were deeper, or your opp. had a stack around the size of yours, I'd call his min-raise and see a turn........right?

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I like.

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Firstly, I would play this hand almost exactly the same as you (maybe a 4x raise preflop), but I'm not sure it is +EV.

I think we can put villain on a fairly narrow range of hands based on his actions. I put the following range into PokerStove :

QQ-JJ,88,AQs,KQs,QJs,T9s,AQo,KQo,QJo,T9o

I think to call an UTG raise and then min-raise that flop he must have one of the above hands. I appreciate there maybe a couple of others (KJ, TT, 99), but I think they're less likely.

This makes us ~45-55 underdog on that board. The way the post-flop action went down we would need some fold equity with the push to make it profitable and I really don't think we have that much. He's getting about 3-1 to call your push and with the range I mentioned above he's likely calling. If we factor in the possibility of him bluffing and him having the ability to fold KQ, AQ then it may be better, but it's close. We have no read on villain afterall.

I disagree with Seany and believe the play would have been better if villain had a deeper stack - we would have had more fold equity from marginal hands that we're behind to such KQ, AQ etc.

But we have money in the pot already, plus we must add the possibility that he is just flat out bluffing, or is a donk and our aces and kings count for outs or is on a flush draw also.

If we just call this flop, and we miss turn and villain pushes we will be getting about 3 to 1 from the pot and about 3 to 1 to draw to the straight and flush. Might as well get it in now.

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does look like a made hand bet on the flop.

I think I want to see the turn here before committing. If a spade falls any large bet looks like a bluff - as it happens he isn't going to put down jacks, QQ or 88 and certainly not a flush draw made. The all-in simply threw it up in the air - he wasn't folding after the raise on the flop.

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I totally agree and mentioned that I would play this particular hand in the same way. I couldn't think of a better way to play it, but it is close in terms of EV. Like I mentioned if we factor in bluffing it may just sway it in our favour, but we have no read on villain to suggest how often he could be making a play.

McJ asked if these type of plays had a place in cash games and they do if we remember why we are making them. We are usually close to even money with these combo draws, so to make them profitable we need our opponent to fold hands we beat a certain amount of time. I think you have more chance of doing that when villain is deeper stacked and a decent player. We need to know our opponents tendencies and skill level to know whether it will be profitable. It isn't just a case of combo draw -> action -> push.