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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $68.50
UTG+1: $435.50
MP1: $147
MP2: $637
MP3: $584.50
Hero: $662.85
Button: $97
SB: $1.426.20
BB: $690.40

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with
5 folds, Hero raises to $24, Button folds, SB raises to $45, BB calls $42 (pot was $72), Hero calls $24 (pot was $114).

Flop: ($135, 3 players)
SB bets $100, BB folds, Hero calls $100 (pot was $235).




Ok, on the flop, do you guys raise this?
Say I raise this to 300$, I will then have a little over 315$ left in my stack. If I raise this on the flop and villian calls, do I push this on the turn or check behind?
Or Do you guys just push it all in on the flop?


I would really like to know how you guys would have approached this flop.




Turn: ($335, 2 players)
SB bets $100, Hero calls $100 (pot was $435).



As played, should I be playing this turn any differently? Maybe I should be pushing it all in here?



River: ($535, 2 players)
SB bets $100, Hero ?????? (pot was $635).


Well, I guess i fucked it up... What now? Call or fold?

i think you should raise the flop.

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I raise the flop to $300 and obviously call a push.

If he flat calls flop and checks to me, I would probably check turn behind because I think he is almost certainly beating you and you have very little fold equity on the turn.

I don't think you played it that badly though to be honest. Probably have to call the river although that paired 2's is a bit of a bastard.

I'm not one bet large as the bettor, but I also hate to be "on the call."

You're much more solid than I and I would raise the flop to the $275-$325 range. With your game, I'd raise this to the $300-$350 range. You're beating him to the pot if he pushes here and if you're flat called, you're pushing a good 9/10 turn cards when he checks.

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anyone else pushing on the flop? The queens probably aren't good at that point and although you've got a ton of outs I'd want to take down that pot as soon as possible. If you call you're not getting any fold equity on the turn and popping it up to $300-350 is still gonna tempt him in to see another card, he's only folding a bluff there IMO. Pushing the flop gives the best chance of getting him to fold with the safety net of plenty of outs if he calls and has you beat.

How had the sb been playing up until then?

Thats almost a min reraise from OOP by the villain so he's not really a solid player. I don't think anybody who makes that stupid little reraise PF is capable of laying down AA/KK at any point during this hand. If he has a hand like JJ/AK he is folding whether you make it 300 or push all in really. I guess pushing has the bonus of you not having to play a turn and possibly make a -EV call but it doesn't increase your fold equity .

The chance your pair of Q's is good combined with the fact that you are 50% to win if called by pretty much anything other than QQ (Guess you're a slight dog to AQ aswell) makes playing this flop all in +EV.

i shove this flop in my sleep

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In cash games, whether to push or simply raise these spots is something I've debated with a lot of people of various experience levels. Your argument toward pushing is a good one and the common argument. "You've ended your decisions by putting your opponent to the test."

I'm of the school where I prefer a large raise because it looks more like an overprotective player like Eclipse protecting his set while I think pushing closes his range to any Villian with half a brain and actually lowers fold equity because a guy calling a raise with 88/22 to $325 is calling a push, but a guy folding KQ to a $325 raise is gonna be suspiscious to the point of more likely to call a push.

I would raise more like $275 because my bigger bets are simply less believed by my opponents on the flop because I'm capable of raising this flop in position with any two and they'll the bigger I bet, the more they'll ask themselves "Why doesn't he want a call?"

Another argument I've placed is that there are flop-floaters that will call the flop with air and fold to blanks on the turn, but would fold to a push on the flop- people with AJ, KJ, JT, T9, TT, JJ. So, there is more value (IMO) in making a healthy raise around the pot in these spots as opposed to shoving. This leads to my next point that I also believe that it's a MISTAKE to treat this as if it's 50/50. Our equity here is more than 50% because we can also have the best hand. Ignoring that is not as bad, but close to as bad as dwelling on it.

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Out of interest, how did the hand turn out?

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I def. raise the flop. Were ahead of an overpair here, like 55/45 or something, plus we have good fold equity considering he might consider laying down hands like AK, JJ, etc.

imo i would try to commit as many chips as possible on the flop, because the turn is really hard to play no matter what happens if we actually get to the turn.