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Old 12-18-2006, 01:43 PM
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Table full of idiots. Average VP for the table is ~30% and the villain in this case is 53.1% / 15.6% / 4.5 over 32 hands.




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)

BB ($100.35)
UTG ($110)
UTG+1 ($68.75)
MP1 ($16.50)
Hero ($93.10)
CO ($44.20)
Button ($11.85)
SB ($70.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises to $12, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($25.50) , , (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($25.50) (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($35.50) (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $51.75 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $87.25

Results in white below:
UTG+1 doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $87.25.
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Old 12-18-2006, 03:15 PM
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What do you fear?

If you fear AA/KK you should have folded preflop imo.
Once I am in a hand with AK for this much of my stack PF if I flop top pair I am all in.
I wouldnt mind a PF fold.
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Old 12-18-2006, 03:35 PM
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What do you fear?
I think a better question would be what can I beat?

AJ/AQ.
K7 to KT.
22 to 55 / 77 to TT.

Do you reall see the villain min-raising and then re-re-raising PF with any of those hands? It seems unlikely. AK is the only hand I could really see him having that doesn't beat me outright but I didn't really feel like building a big pot just to split it.

To paraphrase Phil Gordon...
"If you put a gun to my head and told me to guess his hand..." I'd have to say KK.
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:39 PM
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I probably fold preflop. Or reraise all in. I just see no point calling if you dont want to put your chips in when you flop the A/K.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:11 PM
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I probably fold preflop. Or reraise all in. I just see no point calling if you dont want to put your chips in when you flop the A/K.
I was willing to call a reasonable sized bet on the river but if we review the whole hand...

Min raised followed by a re-re-raise.
Checked the flop.
Weak bet on the turn.
Overbet on the river.

That doesn't add up to a monster for you?
And I don't see how I can fold AKos PF for 4 to 1 on my money.

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Old 12-18-2006, 05:32 PM
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the problem is you dont know where you stand, you have to bet the flop, I don't know what you are waiting for, you hit your hand, you need to bet it, if for anything to see where you are at.

If you bet the flop and he calls, then you can think about slowing down on a scary turn card. You played this too weak/timid, IMO.
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half pot to 2/3rd pot the flop to see where ur at. you can play the rest of the hand with ease after 1/2 potting this flop to see what kinda reaction u get outa the villian.
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bet the flop.

if he calls you and checks the turn, this is where you check behind.

looking at his line though you are obv beat.

i also might fold preflop depending on the villian, this is kind of a reverse implied odds spot.

ok if you hit your ace over his jj qq w/e you will never really ever win a big pot. however if you hit your ace or like A K X and he has a set, you pretty much always lose a big pot.

the king can get you in trouble too, is QQ stacking off on a king high flop?
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