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KRE8R probably has about seventy college funds in his NL5 roll.

Was I too corny? I knew "I play to win" wasn't the best option.

The sense of adventure comment was more of a joke than anything.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with calling PF here. It's not like this is a tournament where I need to conserve chips. I'm giving up $2 PF while getting 3.5 to 1 on my money with a suited 2 gap connector. If I had made the call here with a hand like J8s/Q9s/KTs, no one would have a problem with that and frankly I don't see a big difference between those hands and a hand like 52s.

Plus if neither of my opponents have an overpair, I'm already getting the right price to make the call. If one of my opponents has an overpair, I'm about a 5 to 1 dog and I'm taking the worst of it. BUT...my implied odds could be huge with the right flop. If I hit a big enough hand to win the pot, I only need to make $4 after the flop to justify taking the worst of it PF and it's obviously not going to be too hard to make $4 after the flop here.

It's all part of a successful LAG game. You play loose early, when the bets are small relative to the size of the final pot (ie $2 PF vs the $84 pot that I won.)

And Eclipse, I can't tell if this is sarcasm?

haha, it wasnt a sarcastic comment.. i actually like ur river play, cuz of how the flop and turn played out, your river play is +ev, and thats why i like it.

- KTs will have a far higher chance of flopping top two pair and of that two pair holding up/outdrawing flopped trips etc.
E.g flop: KT7 with KT vs 77 you will have 4 outs plus some runner-runners.
flop: 527 with 52 vs 77 you are almost dead

- Your K high flush is significantly less likely to be a lower flush in flush vs flush situation.

- You can push all in with KTs on a flush draw and maybe have a live overcard.
E.g KTs vs QQ/Aj on a J73 board.

These all increase your overall equity greatly.

A succesful LAG games relies on playing aggresively with a wide range of hands preflop and on the flop when stakes are small leading to people thinking you bluff alot and paying you off when you flop big hands or tiltishly playing 99/AQ all in when you reraise them for the 3rd time and you have picked up AA.

Calling with 52s OOP is just loose.

Fair enough. There is some difference between a low 2 gap suited connector and a higher one. I guess the point I was trying to make is that they both have the same chance of making 2 pair or better and most of the time that is all it will take to win a decent sized pot.

I disagree. I don't just play LAG to get paid off on my big hands. I also play a LAG style to take away pots that no one seems to want (this one being a perfect example.)

As played, I like the river, too. But the out-of-nowhere riverbluffs walk fine lines between suicidal and marginally profitable with every situation.

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Dude, +EV is +EV. There's no difference between a tournament and a cash game, except for a few bubble spots where cEV =/= $EV.

And calling here with 52s sucks. Seriously, it's not close.

There is no difference between tournament poker and cash games? I beg to differ. In a tournament, I'm not going to risk my entire stack as a marginal favourite unless I absolute have to while in a cash game I'm happy to do it. Like I said earlier, tournament poker is all about conserving chips and trying to survive. Cash games are all about making money. In a cash game I'm more than happy to get all my money in when I'm a 51% favourite since I will show a profit in the long run. In a tournament I may not be so willing to do so because there is a 49% chance that I will bust out.

To bring it all back to the original hand, I'm willing to give up $2 PF (while getting 3.5 to 1 on my money, I might add) because I don't care about conserving my chips. It's a loose call, I know that. But tight isn't always right, my friend.

Your attitude on the differences between cash and tournaments is really common, but totally false.

Cash equity in the early stages of a tournament is directly proportional to the number of chips you have. That means if you have, say, .78% of the total chips in play, then in terms of long term equity, they are worth .78% of the prize pool. If you have 1.56% of the chips in play, you are "entitled" to 1.56% of the prize pool. Notice how when you doubled up your stack, it's monetary value also doubled.

THIS IS THE EXACT SAME AS CASH GAMES

If you fold 52s in a tournament because you are interested in conserving chips, you should fold it in a cash game because you are interested in conserving money. They are one and the same.

The main difference between tournaments and cash games is the stack sizes. If 52s should be a call here but not in tourneys (WHICH IS NOT TRUE, CALLING STILL SUCKS BALLS) it's not because you need to conserve your tournament chips, but because the stacks at the table are likely not deep enough to grant you appropiate implied odds on flopping a monster.

In conclusion,
a) if a decision is +EV in a cash game, it is +EV in a tournament.
b) calling a raise with 52s sucks.