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12-13-2006, 11:58 AM
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Mike McDermott
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Party Poker $100NL hand
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($55.95)
Hero ($144.50)
UTG+2 ($37.33)
MP1 ($128)
MP2 ($104.50)
MP3 ($49)
CO ($122.80)
Button ($16)
SB ($77.45)
BB ($39.50)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K  , K  . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2, UTG+2 calls $2, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.50, 1 fold,
Flop: 4  , Q  , T
SB bets $6.5, UTG raises to $27, Hero folds,
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12-13-2006, 12:28 PM
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Oh my! Party Donker.
If you're just gonna call, good hand. UTG minraises in full ring are weird. I'd call in your spot with QQ, but I'd have to really know the player to just call with KK.
Postflop, though, good hand. All in all, those games are so soft when you have position that you really don't need to get involved in PF wars in EP.
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12-14-2006, 04:12 AM
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Check Raiser
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I really don't like the smooth call preflop, an early minraise followed by a call will almost always induce others to call as well. Maybe there were a lot of re-raise and then it's good I guess.
As played, fold is probably the only reasonable move.
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12-14-2006, 04:24 AM
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Stu Ungar
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I don't mind the call PF. It seems like everyone here thinks you HAVE to raise/re-raise PF with KK/AA but I think you can get away with cold calling everyone once in awhile as long you're capable of making the tough laydown.
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12-14-2006, 05:00 AM
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Check Raiser
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
It seems like everyone here thinks you HAVE to raise/re-raise PF with KK/AA.
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Not at all, I just think it's gets too hard to play when you're doing it from early position and a lot of players call. Maybe I'm just a weak player.
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12-14-2006, 05:15 AM
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Mike McDermott
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flop play is fine. its fine because if you are ahead, they have a hand that cant call a push, unless you are
A. beat
B. only slightly ahead because they have a huge draw.
in which case you are going to risk your whole stack when you only win whats in there most of the time, or lose your whole stack.
preflop i repop every single time, unless its likley somone is going to squeeze (which it is). doing this dont you turn kk into 22 basically?
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12-14-2006, 05:50 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tightagressive
preflop i repop every single time, unless its likley somone is going to squeeze (which it is). doing this dont you turn kk into 22 basically?
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No, not necessarily. You're not really playing it for set value like you would with 22, you're cold calling for deceptive value. To me it's the equivalent of raising from EP/MP with a medium suited connector only its a little more difficult to play post flop. Like I've said numerous times, it's not a move to be made often but I think it should be a part of any serious poker player's arsenal.
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12-14-2006, 09:03 AM
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why did you fold? utg only has 25 dollars left and a set is the only hand thats really beating you here and if he is drawing then why are you laying down the best hand in a ring game.. i call on flop i'll lose 50$ with whats probabley the best hand, and the way you played it you really have no other choice. Also arn't the blinds .5/1 dollar i reraise up to 6 dollars pf.. 2 dollars pf is so weak. get some money in there.. and i disagree with tightaggressive about if you push you only get called by a better hand..the guy is practically pot committed(1/2 his stack is in the middle) and ppl call off way more with much less at that level..
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12-14-2006, 09:14 AM
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Mike McDermott
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Couple of LP players were very aggresive and I thought UTG had limped and so by limping in 2nd I would gain more deception when reraising their "punish the limpers" raise. I then noticed too late he had min raised so of course noone was as likely to make a play from LP.
I thought the UTG min raise followed by that all in was likely AA or QQ. I had others to act and felt my absolute best case scenario was as TA said vs a big draw - perhaps A high flush draw where I still lose 40% of time.
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12-14-2006, 09:30 AM
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had you seen the guy min raise in ep before or was he just being passive. to give the guy that much credit is a stretch.. If hes drawing to the ace high flush its still 50/50 and i could see a short stack making the same play with an offsuit aq from ep. the mistake here was pf..you can make a case for the flop decision eather way..
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