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Old 12-05-2006, 05:32 PM
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What is your BR? 30% or less of my BR I am calling.
No kidding. You gotta reevaluate your BR management.
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No kidding. You gotta reevaluate your BR management.
I am saying what I would do. I suck at BR management. I'll turn $100 in to $440 through SNGs and lose it all in one sitting at a ring game. (Just did it this weekend).

So I said what I am doing, not necassarily the best thing to do.


I also suck at no limit ring games.
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Old 12-05-2006, 07:22 PM
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I am saying what I would do. I suck at BR management. I'll turn $100 in to $440 through SNGs and lose it all in one sitting at a ring game. (Just did it this weekend).

So I said what I am doing, not necassarily the best thing to do.


I also suck at no limit ring games.
If you know you suck at BR management why would you offer what you would do? That just seems like bad advice...
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What is your BR? 30% or less of my BR I am calling.
Look at what I said. I said IIIIIIII am calling with 30% or less.


I see your point though guys. Valid if your BR is important to you. Mine never is. I just refill. lol.
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Is this a joke? I would say Eclipse is not sitting down in a game with more than 5% of his bankroll ever.
heh.. i literally laughed out loud when i read this, cuz its true.

In all seriousness tho Loz, your br should not at all be a deciding factor in what u do in a hand. Cuz if it is, then u are playing too high.
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Is this a joke? I would say Eclipse is not sitting down in a game with more than 5% of his bankroll ever.
Yeah. Comedy clubs are cheaper, less depressing forms of entertainment.
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Forget the BR pct. 13 outs and a made hand already. I am calling.
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Forget the BR pct. 13 outs and a made hand already. I am calling.
10 outs and that's when it isn't set v. set which it usually isn't.

It isn't obvious that Eclipse doesn't have a flush. I'd say that it looks like Eclipse limp/called PF with Axs or a middle pair, caught a diamond draw and CR'd the flop to take it down or a set to get it all in or take it down. You're only getting ~1.8:1 on the call. You have to be (a) best AND dodge a diamond or (b) be against a flush and not a bigger set AND catch your full house a total of 55% of the time just to break even. Villian's about 16% to catch a diamond that beats us if we're not beat and we're about 20% to catch a boat when he has a flush and not a bigger set. So, making a "great read" in the moment isn't all that profitable.

I said I'd make the call 30% of the time because I have a database on 1/2 of the 5 people I'm playing with and that also includes the 10-15% of the time when I'm just playing bad poker.
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ok guys, i have a couple questions..

say u check call the turn instead of lead out.
say villian bets 70$, and u decide to call it.

the river is a complete blank... say a 2 of clubs..

what do you do on river?
another question, how high of a bet would u guys call if u checked turn? a pot bet?
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If he bet the pot on the turn, I'd shove. No way he's potting a flush here and we can get the rare higher set to laydown and what's weird is that a big diamond'll call a lot.

If he bet $60-$65, there's ~$150 in the pot+$200 behind him, so if you boat the river, you can just shove the river. He won't fold a flush getting 3:1 and if he does, you had the best hand and that $65 was all you were getting out of him anyway.

If the river's a blank, I'd call $100, but he's usually checking behind when we have the best hand and he's not gonna bet much more than half his remaining stack to this board with anything that beats, IMO.

In this case, we save money when we're beat because we're giving no "you got action" signs and getting worse hands to put more money in the pot that would've folded to our turn bet or pushed on a semi-bluff. I'm just careful here because I'd play it like an unraised pot since Villian's PF raise was so gay.
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