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Old 12-03-2006, 06:29 PM
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Seriously, critisize the shit outa me, it only helps


Hand 1 --

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($10.75)
BB ($12.15)
UTG ($11.55)
Hero ($8.35)
CO ($7.35)
Button ($11)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T, T.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.15) J, 4, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, Button calls $0.55. <<WTF!!??!?!?!

Turn: ($2.25) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button calls $1.

River: ($4.25) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $4.25
Shows As9s

Hand 1. Wtf is he doing calling that flop. Should have taken it down right there. I guess i could have slowed down on the turn, but wtf hand would have that improved that wasnt already ahead. I figured he was on the FD.






Hand 2 --

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($11.05)
MP ($9.80)
CO ($10.90)
Hero ($10.25)
SB ($7.40)
BB ($12)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, J.
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.10) 3, 9, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($1.10) K (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.55, BB calls $0.55, MP calls $0.55.

River: ($2.75) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1, BB folds, MP raises to $2, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $5.75
Shows 2s,6d << WTF?!?!?!?!

Hand 2 - Again, should have taken that down on one of the streets, and i would have, had the 26 moron not been in the hand





Hand 3 - PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($10.40)
SB ($3.10)
Hero ($9.55)
UTG ($4.35)
MP ($14.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.2, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.5, MP calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.50) 9, J, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: ($1.50) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.4, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40.

River: ($2.70) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $1, SB calls $1, Hero calls $1.

Final Pot: $5.70
Shows kc, 8c



Hand 3 - Probably could have prevented it with a bigger re-raise, or laying it down somewhere along the line, but i really didnt put either on hearts, which i was right.

Whatever i do i feel like i cannot beat these people.

They make -ev move after -ev move after -ev move and get paid off

What am i doing wrong.

Every table im playing at, the WORST player at the table has the biggest stack.

EDIT. Somehow i atleast still left both tables above
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:48 PM
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Hand #1- This is a great flop. Don't probe it. You have the best hand. Bet .75 and the rest of your hand is fine.

Hand #2/#3 are the same hand. You didn't copy the 3rd hand.

Hand #2- WTF is that raise about? Raise 3.5 to 4x+# of limpers at the least PF. Your hand isn't good. Raise to 5x or call. That raise is pointless. In position, when they check-check, bet 65-75% of the pot because 2 are gonna act. You don't want a free turn. Your odds suck at catching a hand. If you had 45, a check would be good.

You took a stab at the turn which'll get called by A3 after you don't CB the flop. If you wait 'til the turn, you'll have to bet 75%-PS to take it down.
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Old 12-03-2006, 06:52 PM
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Hand #2/#3 are the same hand. You didn't copy the 3rd hand.
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Hand #2- WTF is that raise about? Raise 3.5 to 4x+# of limpers at the least PF. Your hand isn't good. Raise to 5x or call. That raise is pointless. In position, when they check-check, bet 65-75% of the pot because 2 are gonna act. You don't want a free turn. Your odds suck at catching a hand. If you had 45, a check would be good.

You took a stab at the turn which'll get called by A3 after you don't CB the flop. If you wait 'til the turn, you'll have to bet 75%-PS to take it down.
Just what im looking for. Thank you. Obviously going to same the same thing about PF hand 3. Starting to realize this is obviously one of the bigger leaks.
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Old 12-03-2006, 07:21 PM
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#1 While your flop bet is good (could be higher) the turn bet I dont like. I check/fold here. Problem is 2 flush draws, 2 broadway cards, no way to know where your at in the hand when he calls.

#2 just check behind and hope you make the nuts. Your opponents MUST(!!!) have something by now, and since theyre donks, they WILL NOT FOLD

#3 very well played, u got unlucky!
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:55 AM
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I think you need to start betting bigger. Make all your bets 75% - 100% of pot.

E.g. Hand 2 you are basically bluffing into 2 players having been checked to twice with a 1/2 pot bet. I would probably call that with any pair and occasionaly raise with nothing.

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Old 12-04-2006, 01:38 PM
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hand 1, bet 90% of pot, not 50%, if you get called, check fold all the way. Please don't bet this turn.

hand 2. check fold all the way

hand 3. - I like it.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:10 PM
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In general, bet bigger when you have it, you shouldn't be unhappy with taking down a small pot on the flop.

At these lower limit games, there is almost no need to stab at multi-way pots on the flop. When the BB is under $1 you can play tighter than a ducks butt and still get payed off when you hit big. The only time I bet with absolutely nothing is a continuation bet on a flop with only 1 or 2 players.
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Old 12-04-2006, 02:15 PM
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Thx guys taking everything said into account and into action
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