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Old 11-28-2006, 01:06 PM
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I had just sat down at the table and this is my first hand. I had watched a couple of hands while waiting for the seat so I do know that the table seems pretty loose (I saw 6 people call a $5 raise PF.)

I hadn't been paying close attention to the villain so I had absolutely no idea what his litte play means. The kicker? It was the same idiot from this hand.




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UTG+1 ($188.80)
MP1 ($95.50)
MP2 ($29.65)
Hero ($99)
CO ($53.50)
Button ($94.50)
SB ($45)
BB ($152.85)
UTG ($93)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $40, MP2 folds, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $52

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No showdown. MP1 wins $52.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:19 PM
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bad fold...he had 72o
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:07 PM
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fuck him and his middle pair

he limps to begin with already saying to me i have a skeptical hand.... full ring right?, he has ace jack or less...hes seeing where his 10s or 9s stand, id repop him minimally, if he limps with kings or aces i reload and make fun of him to get more out of him next time i repop him with aces
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:19 PM
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This is a tough spot to be in.
Without reads, I let him have that $5
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Old 11-28-2006, 02:51 PM
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fuck him and his middle pair

he limps to begin with already saying to me i have a skeptical hand.... full ring right?, he has ace jack or less...hes seeing where his 10s or 9s stand, id repop him minimally, if he limps with kings or aces i reload and make fun of him to get more out of him next time i repop him with aces
From my experience, anytime someone limps and then re-raises from EP, it's usually AA/KK. Since I didn't have a read on the guy, I have to give him respect. Sadly had this been 3-4 hands later, I'm all in PF against this idiot.
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Old 11-28-2006, 03:09 PM
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unless u kno ur opponent to be a complete donkey, this should be an easy fold because 90% of the time ur opponent will have AA/KK here.
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Old 11-28-2006, 03:17 PM
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unless u kno ur opponent to be a complete donkey, this should be an easy fold because 90% of the time ur opponent will have AA/KK here.

6 handed I would say less than 90% AA/KK but still well over 50% and a lot of the remaining times you are racing with AK anyway. Minus reads a good laydown I think.
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Old 11-28-2006, 05:46 PM
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This is a tough spot to be in.
Without reads, I let him have that $5
My main thinking here- especially in full ring.

With no reads in 6max., I'd be tempted to say "Motherfucker" and stop/go most flops. I still a ton of retards goin' to the felt with 7's PF in 6max. This being full ring, shoving has no value because he's not laying down a coin flip. Any flop good for Jacks or Tens is usually good for Queens, so you can get bad postflop calls, but you just get stacked too often here.

The psychological factor of being stuck so early in a session further emphasizes a fold.
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this is .50/1.00 everyone limped in ahead of me, i raised $3.00 to a total of $4. when it got to the dealer, there was like 6-7 people in, it got around to the early postion guy who just limped and he raised $15 everyone folded to me and i considered my options and put him on AA or KK so I laid it down, everyone behind me did the same, he won the pot without a showdown. He left the table 1-2 hands later.....
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Old 11-28-2006, 08:19 PM
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this is .50/1.00 everyone limped in ahead of me, i raised $3.00 to a total of $4. when it got to the dealer, there was like 6-7 people in, it got around to the early postion guy who just limped and he raised $15 everyone folded to me and i considered my options and put him on AA or KK so I laid it down, everyone behind me did the same, he won the pot without a showdown. He left the table 1-2 hands later.....
Well, how many people is everyone? If you raise to $4 with only 1 limper in front of you'd damn well better have Aces, buddy, and I still don't like that raise. Even in McJ's case, I'd've raised to $6 at least or as much as $9 depending on the 2 limpers.
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