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Old 11-14-2006, 05:00 PM
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with
UTG calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.85, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero raises to $1.5, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: ($4.6, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $10.5, Hero ___?
Uncalled bets: $7.5 returned to BB.

UTG is full of shit. He does it every hand, i am 99% sure he is folding to a min raise on his flop bet. I dont expect the call from CO, thinking im going to take the pot their.

Figure i am still ahead on the turn, so i put out about 3/4's pot. What do u do to that re-raise? He even just saw me a few hands ealier take down a $5 pot with pocket 5's against an aggressive guy to my left betting with overs on the board, so i would think he would think i am calling a "bluff"
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:34 PM
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Looks like it's a read-dependent hand but I would normally fold this on the turn, maybe even on the flop to UTGs bet which is fairly big.
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i'd fold. a lot of hands beat you and there has to be a better place to get your money in with, especially if this guy is a bullshitter like you were saying.


if you call here, you are almost definately facing a big river bet, so unless a 8 or J hits, it is hard to make the river call as well. you could push and hope he is on a draw, but that is a pretty crazy play and i wouldn't recommend it.


good fold.
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I dont see anything you're beating, that would make this play.
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I did end up folding, i just couldnt get over the strong feeling he was bluffing. I hate that

On a side note i believe i may have figured out a large reason why i am breaking even at best. And it has to do with the opposite, my bluffing.
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I'm with you down. I've found bluffing to be my greatest leak. I do it too damn much and too damn big, haha. I just can't these fuckers credit.
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raise this mofo pf.

on dlop, eather call, or raise 3x his vet, you only did 2x. with the line you took, i think you should fold the turn. I like your idea of betting turn, but once he c/r, he prolly has you.

usually c/r = nonbluff
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The way he played it you have to figure him for a set and fold. I am assuming that he has chips behind that bet and is not all in. If the bet is all in i think a call is in order.
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I believe we had about equal stakes and he had about $15 left for the river
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Once you've bet turn you must fold to raise there.

I would recommnend you get into the habit of making all your raises 3x your opponents bet. If your top pair is good and he has a flush draw you are giving him over 3-1 immediate odds with this min raise. By raising 3x you will perhaps push someone here off a hand like JT/JQ. Also if you flop a set and someone has TPTK/overpair you start to build a pot and commit them to it.
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