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11-10-2006, 09:50 AM
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Stu Ungar
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So I tried to get fancy with my aces...
I read both villains hands correctly on the turn, was I right to call the $10 bet?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed)
Hero ($115.25)
UTG ($100)
MP1 ($104.05)
MP2 ($29.80)
CO ($207.20)
Button ($107.80)
SB ($73.30)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
2 folds, MP2 calls $1, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: ($4)  ,  , (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2, CO calls $2, SB folds.
Turn: ($10) (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $10, CO calls $10, Hero calls $10.
River: ($40) (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $16.8 (All-In), CO calls $16.80, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $73.60
Results in white below:
MP2 has 5d Td (flush, king high).
CO has Ks Qc (straight, king high).
Outcome: MP2 wins $73.60.
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11-10-2006, 07:29 PM
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Poker Professional
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with the pf line u took, you should bet the flop harder.. like 3-4$
turn should be a check fold because someone just hit their flush.. however, if there was 40$ in the pot (instead of just 30$) i would call for the 10$.. otherwise i fold it.
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11-11-2006, 02:56 AM
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Mike McDermott
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I think calling the turn is marginally -EV.
7 out of 41 cards will complete your flush so you will hit that around 1 in 6.5 times and so would need odds of 5.5-1.
I assume the guy with the straight can get away if a 4th diamond falls so you would have probably won $46.80 or 4.68-1.
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11-11-2006, 03:04 AM
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Mike McDermott
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I also really dont like tihis slowplay because:
You close the betting so have no chance of someone else raising.
You are going to be in a 4 way pot with bad position.
In an unraised pot people generally don't go broke with top pair.
You are not getting much money in Preflop and the max flop bet can really be is $4. These are the streets when AA has most of its value.
Here I would make it about $7 and if I take it down preflop so be it.
I think the time to slowplay AA is perhaps if you are button and it folds to you and you make it 3.5bb and then the SB/BB comes over the top to make it 11bb. Here if you push he may fold everything but KK, whereas if you flat call you may stack QQ/JJ as overpair and he will almost certainly c-bet any flop even if he was bluffing. You have also got a significant % of your stack in as a favourite and are playing a heads up pot in posiition.
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11-11-2006, 03:28 AM
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I never slow play anything in cash. I push everything hard. Then when you do get a big hand you make lots because they think you're at your same old game of pushing them around. Aces in a 4 way pot is a massive no no. You want to be heads up and you want to let them know you have something if a draw heavy board comes down. Then you can take it down on the flop and still make a little cash.
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11-12-2006, 07:18 PM
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Mike McDermott
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JESUS CHRIST RAISE PREFLOP
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11-13-2006, 02:45 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tightagressive
JESUS CHRIST RAISE PREFLOP
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Come on now, you guys NEVER try and trap with your aces? I'll raise PF 95% of the time with my aces but every once in awhile......
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11-13-2006, 03:14 AM
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Check Raiser
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.McJ
Come on now, you guys NEVER try and trap with your aces? I'll raise PF 95% of the time with my aces but every once in awhile......
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I'm not really a fan of slow playing big pairs at all, mostly because I think you get plenty of action even if you don't.
In this spot I think it's really bad to slow play, there are three others in the pot, you have not idea what so ever what they have and you'll have to play the pot out of position. I also agree with WotaWaster, people don't stack off with something you beat in an unraised pot very often. You'll have a very hard time putting them on a hand even if they do.
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11-14-2006, 04:21 AM
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Stu Ungar
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WotaWaster
I think calling the turn is marginally -EV.
7 out of 41 cards will complete your flush so you will hit that around 1 in 6.5 times and so would need odds of 5.5-1.
I assume the guy with the straight can get away if a 4th diamond falls so you would have probably won $46.80 or 4.68-1.
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The queens could be outs, if both made a straight. That was my thought before looking at the results. But it would mean they had the idiot end since otherwise there would be 2 queens left only, so it's very marginal call still
Anyways, i think the probing bet is no good here. I think we should check-raise big here, and fold to a reraise. Ideally they'll all check so if there's a blank on the turn, we can build the pot there, since we prolly have the best hand then.
Last edited by OrionPro; 11-14-2006 at 04:30 AM.
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11-14-2006, 04:56 AM
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Mike McDermott
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What are you seriously hoping to trap?
Ask yourself what type of hands these guys may have limped with. 44, 67s, KJ perhaps.
Now ask yourself what type of flop these hands are going to go broke on with anything you beat?
I don't mind limping UTG with AA hoping to reraise PF but here when you know you close the betting it makes no sense.
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