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Old 11-07-2006, 05:20 AM
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I had a really tough time with this one. My gut was telling me that one of them had the FH but as you can see from the way MP3 played the hand, we're not dealing with professionals here. I thought there was a chance I was splitting the pot with one of them while beating the others weak Ace.

Edit: Oh and yes I agree, worst C-Bet ever. I didn't even realise how bad it was until I looked at the hand again just now.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($80.25)
BB ($44.95)
UTG ($25.65)
UTG+1 ($64.65)
MP1 ($51.30)
MP2 ($15.30)
MP3 ($26.65)
CO ($50.40)
Button ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1, Button folds.

Flop: ($6) , , (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP1 calls $3, MP3 calls $3.

Turn: ($15) (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.

River: ($15) (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $4, MP3 calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $27

Results in white below:
Hero has Th Td (straight, ace high).
MP1 has Jh Jd (full house, jacks full of aces).
MP3 has Qc 8c (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP1 wins $27.
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Old 11-07-2006, 03:14 PM
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Hell i'll make the call, there's $23 in there and its only $4 to call. Don't know why MP1 would bet less than a third of the pot w/a boat, and MP3 has to be a fucking retard to think Q8 lol is good.
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Old 11-07-2006, 03:32 PM
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Yeah. The CB's dumb. Gotta call the river. Raising has no value.

You beat and tie a lot of hands, but you can't get anything better to fold.
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only Cbet this in a HU pot. i'd never cbet in 3 way.
LOL @ folding on river. check call at least I might make little bet on river like 3-4$.
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:57 PM
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definately raise harder pf... flop cb is good imo... works alot beter if u raise more pf tho...

river, i put out a blocking/value bet of 5$ and fold to a raise.
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I raise to $2.5 or more preflop with all the limpers in the hand.

Don't cbet this flop into to players, I just don't think it's a profitable play.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:56 AM
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thinking about betting this flop

do worse hands call: no
do better hands fold: probably not, very few
are you likley to have the best hand: no

there is no reason to lead into 2 opponents here with an underpair. i just check fold.

on the river u are ahead of mp1's range, since mp2 isnt re raising u can call
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:37 PM
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thinking about betting this flop

do worse hands call: no
do better hands fold: probably not, very few
are you likley to have the best hand: no

there is no reason to lead into 2 opponents here with an underpair. i just check fold.

on the river u are ahead of mp1's range, since mp2 isnt re raising u can call
ya.. but i hate shutting down right away on the flop - its too passive imo... I much prefer a 1/2 pot cb then to auto check-fold (imo, its more of a probe bet then a cb - just because u got 2 callers pf, doesnt mean any of them have an ace).... if u raise pf u should always follow through with a bet on the flop if u have at least 1 pair imo (mind you, the bet doesnt always have to be full pot.. and in most cases the bet should be 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot.. unless u have the TP, in which case u should do 3/4 pot to full pot) ... this is because your fold equity is quite high here on the flop imo.. when that ace hits its a scare card for everyone.. so all u have to do is show aggression to take it down..most of the time when u follow through on the flop with a bet on a A high flop, ppl will fold to ur bet right away since u were the pf aggressor.. you also have the gutshot to back you up if u get called on the flop, so it isnt really all that bad to cb this..

not to mention the fact, that these guys both limp-called.. therefore more often then not these guys are holding 22-99, or some sort of suited connector type hand, in which case their probably auto-folding to a bet on this flop if they dont hold QTs... it would be very unlikely for them to be holding AK-AJ here.. therefore if u bet this flop, more often then not you will take it down on the flop because ur opponents will have u on a probable AK-AJ, JJ, KK, AA.. I doubt even a A2s-A9s, would call a flop bet here because of the possibility of the already made 2pair/set.

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