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Old 11-07-2006, 03:24 AM
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After the hand the villain went into a standard rant. "This is fucking BS! I can't you believe you would raise and call with that!"
3 to expressed odds, 17 to implied odds. You can hate my raise here, and I'm sure most of you will, but you can't argue with the call....right?

And before anyone starts tearing me a new one, the astute reader may have noticed a slight change in my game. I realised the biggest flaw in my loose aggressive styled game....I wasn't being aggressive PF. So where I would normally just limp in, I've now decided to raise almost everytime. Aside from this hand here, you can see another example of what I'm talking about here. The only downside is that its forcing me to make tougher decisions post flop but at the same time I feel that my game has advanced enough for this not to be a factor for me.




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Hero ($38.40)
Button ($46.25)
SB ($32.05)
BB ($57.30)
UTG ($26.50)
UTG+1 ($20)
MP1 ($49)
MP2 ($93.05)
MP3 ($19.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with , . UTG+1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, SB raises to $3.5, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($8) , , (2 players)
SB bets $5.5, Hero raises to $20, SB raises to $28.55, Hero calls $8.55.

Turn: ($65.10) (2 players)

River: ($65.10) (2 players)

Final Pot: $65.10

Results in white below:
SB has Js Jc (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Td 8c (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $65.10.
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Old 11-07-2006, 03:37 AM
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Actually I would argue a lot more with the call than the raise. A raise in LP with T8o is perfectly accpetable.

You called with 17-1 implied odds and did take his whole stack but the odds of you flopping 2 pair (which is what you needed) was about 48-1. If that comes down 10 8 K you probably get next to nothing from him in this instance. I would call with a hand like T9s here or with T8o if more deepstacked but dont think calling with T8o in this situation is +EV.
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Old 11-07-2006, 04:00 AM
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Actually I would argue a lot more with the call than the raise. A raise in LP with T8o is perfectly accpetable.

You called with 17-1 implied odds and did take his whole stack but the odds of you flopping 2 pair (which is what you needed) was about 48-1. If that comes down 10 8 K you probably get next to nothing from him in this instance. I would call with a hand like T9s here or with T8o if more deepstacked but dont think calling with T8o in this situation is +EV.
That's assuming that the villain has an overpair. I realise there is a good chance that he does but let's say the villain has 99+ and AQ+, now I'm only a 3 to 1 dog against.
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Old 11-07-2006, 10:35 AM
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That's true.

But if relies on you taking some pots when your opponent has 99-QQ and an A or K flops aswell as when he has AK and an A or K doesn't flop. If you read your opponent well postflop and are going to make plays when you dont hit the flop that hard then it makes the call much better.
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Old 11-07-2006, 10:56 AM
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You've seen my previous HH's, Wota. You know I'm not going to let this go on the flop without a fight.
Seriously though, I only called his re-raise because I had position on him. I figured I could outplay him on the flop and with 17 to 1 implied odds, I was willing to take the chance.
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:04 PM
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That's assuming that the villain has an overpair. I realise there is a good chance that he does but let's say the villain has 99+ and AQ+, now I'm only a 3 to 1 dog against.
And you're getting 3:1 immediate odds if you hit the flop and don't get action against the hands that you're not in bad shape with. Because your raising range is wide in your seat, his re-raising range is 88+, A9+, KJ+, QJ, JT. I'd re-pop you with all of these and suited connectors if you open-raised 3x in the CO on my SB- but I'd make a real re-raise.

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Old 11-07-2006, 12:14 PM
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I also call because I don't want people to think I'll be shut out by a wimpy re-raise. Must preserve table image.
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:17 PM
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According to Tony G., 10-8 is the nuts :P
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According to Tony G., 10-8 is the nuts :P
According to most people, Tony G is nuts.
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