Play this hand

Dizzy_Fuzz · #1 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 01:57 AM

50c $1 NL 6 max.

On the button with 9c 10d

5 Handed

SB Posts
BB Posts
UTG Calls $1
Agressive UTG raises to $4
Hero Calls.

Everyone folds, Im heads up with the type of player who likes to raise make a massive continuation bet and then push all in when reraised, I reraised a pot previously where I made middle pair and he pushed all in. Hasnt shown down a lot of hands, we both sit with $100 ish...

4d 7s 10h

UTG bets $15..... Hero..... ???

Rankles · #2 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 02:15 AM

If he likes to make a lot of continuation bets, and assuming your read of him is correct then in this situation I would call.

There's always of course the chance that he has a genuine hand, in this case AA,KK,QQ or JJ would beat you. If you raise, and he has one of these hands he'll probably all-in you and force you to back down.

In these situations, when I've just called, you're representing a drawing hand or a trap. With no obvious draws he might think the latter, figure you have him nailed and on his next turn check.

If he does check next turn, then bet. If he calls, it's probably with A x or something that some people just can't fold. If he bets next turn and it's less than last time or the same, reraise him.

It's tough without being there and of course I'm just going off your reading. What happened?

eldave04 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 07:52 AM

In this situation I would fold pf. I understand he is a maniac, but even 9To is not worth getting involved with because you know he is going to force you into a tough decision like here. He could have an overpair, a set is also not out of the question, plus you are beat by JT, QT, KT, AT, which are all possible holdings. IMO you should wait for a better spot to stack him. What is his stack size btw?

When at a table with a guy like this I wait for bigger hands, call his raises and try and get him all in on the turn.

VGrozny · #4 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by eldave04

In this situation I would fold pf. I understand he is a maniac, but even 9To is not worth getting involved with because you know he is going to force you into a tough decision like here. He could have an overpair, a set is also not out of the question, plus you are beat by JT, QT, KT, AT, which are all possible holdings. IMO you should wait for a better spot to stack him. What is his stack size btw?

When at a table with a guy like this I wait for bigger hands, call his raises and try and get him all in on the turn.

agree.
the way my brother puts it "let the baby have the blinds. then jab him in the throat when hes not looking". but eldave explains it much more logicaly though.

but since you are in the hand...
since you knew he was going to make the continuation bet, it comes down to what you believe he might have. if you believe he has it, fold, if not push and call the all in and the hope not to get unlucky.

obga · #5 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 09:54 AM

easy decision

fold preflop

Dizzy_Fuzz · #6 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by obga

easy decision

fold preflop

If I wanted these answers I would of said so.... Im experimenting a lot with my hand selection lately and feel that a lot of big stakes players will over value ace - x these are the types of players I try to target, this was that type of player.

Yes its hard to know where you are in the hand, but since the title says play this hand Id like more input then fold preflop, even if you were to choose to fold to that bet.... the preflop decision in this thread has been made regardless of what happens.

Id like some more opinions on this one.

Edit - I guess I should of put Postflop play in the thread title.

gder03 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 02:08 PM

fold flop

VGrozny · #8 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 02:27 PM

its a matter of what you believe he has. its very hard to tell with people that play this way. they could or couldn't have it. a matter for you to decide. i don't see any indications either way to what he may have.

to me, my gut is saying to push/ call all in. i've been known to make this call but then again, i've also been known to fold to this bet. its a tough call either way.

there is no way i'm flat calling. its either push or fold. i'm not really wanting to see anymore cards so i'm pushing hard enough to be pot commited and probably going broke if he has a hand.

then again, what if he only calls the raise and an ace or face hits? do you keep pushing hoping he really didn't hit this time? probably since i already pushed a large sum in on the reraise. if i'm in, i'm in. i've been here before and i don't like playing this way. too loose for this type of player/ situation.

but then again if i folded pre flop i'm not in this sticky situation.

Dizzy_Fuzz · #9 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VGrozny

its a matter of what you believe he has. its very hard to tell with people that play this way. they could or couldn't have it. a matter for you to decide. i don't see any indications either way to what he may have.

to me, my gut is saying to push/ call all in. i've been known to make this call but then again, i've also been known to fold to this bet. its a tough call either way.

there is no way i'm flat calling. its either push or fold. i'm not really wanting to see anymore cards so i'm pushing hard enough to be pot commited and probably going broke if he has a hand.

then again, what if he only calls the raise and an ace or face hits? do you keep pushing hoping he really didn't hit this time? probably since i already pushed a large sum in on the reraise. if i'm in, i'm in. i've been here before and i don't like playing this way. too loose for this type of player/ situation.

but then again if i folded pre flop i'm not in this sticky situation.

Everything was fine until that last line had to pop in.

Eclipse86 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-22-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by obga

easy decision

fold preflop

also, fold flop as played