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Old 10-19-2006, 05:51 AM
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I was afraid he might be drawing, if he called with something like 89s or KQ.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($49.25)
Button ($19.90)
Hero ($57.30)
BB ($43.40)
UTG ($48.75)
UTG+1 ($38.55)
MP1 ($19)
MP2 ($58.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, A.
6 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4) 4, J, J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($4) T (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $55.3, BB folds.

Final Pot: $69.30

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $69.30.
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Old 10-19-2006, 06:00 AM
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This really isn't a bad spot for the puss-raise. He won't fold for another $7 and it's still a bad call on his part. You can value the river at $12 and get any an extra $19 out of him.
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I was afraid he might be drawing, if he called with something like 89s or KQ.
What the heck?

You are ahead of him. Why do you not want him to put his money in? Unless you only play the nuts all the time...

You make money in poker by other people making mistakes. That is a mistake for him to call and in long run you win big time...


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Old 10-19-2006, 12:36 PM
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What the heck?

You are ahead of him. Why do you not want him to put his money in? Unless you only play the nuts all the time...

You make money in poker by other people making mistakes. That is a mistake for him to call and in long run you win big time...


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Thus the reason he raised. He's wondering if he raised too much. I probably raise it to $20 or something
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The 3-bet AI raise is probably my favorite move in NL. It whoops the CR's ass and will still get called enough for it to be profitable. It allows to keep control of the pot and is a good way not to get yourself into trouble by dicking around.

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I like the 3-bet all in here on the turn. That T of hearts is a very bad card cuz it now puts a ton of draws on the board, and if u re-raise too little on the turn, ur gonna give good implied odds to ur opponent to call with his draw. And say a 9 of clubs or any diamond comes off on the river, and ur opponent can take a good sized bet off you on the river, then he would have just profited off you.

however, this could be because i am just too aggressive and maybe too over protective of my hands.

Also, I like betting good flops like that weak especially when OOP (half pottish to 3/5th pot) to induce a raise, or to have villian think im cbing with an AK AQ there, and therefore try to freeze play me.
Basically what I would do is bet half pot on that flop, and if he flat calls, then I check raise turn.
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bet the turn. call this turn and c/r river
should prolly not raise AJo OOP agaisnt a good player. v.s bad i think its okey.
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I always CB these flops, too, for consistency. Don't know Fish's style. If I were to check a flop like this after raising PF, no way I get any action. I might as well type in the chat box "I have a Jack." If you make CB's often as you should, $2 does the trick and you can value all the way down. If you don't induce the bluff on the flop, you will on the turn. This scenario makes for a better 3rd raise AI on the turn. Without betting the flop, you're accepting that you're ending the hand here, but that's stupid as a 4:1 favorite.

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I changed my style a bit. I still do c-bets, however not nearly as often as I used to. I check TPTK and missed flops. So checking should be consistent with my style. I found this to work best against weak-medium strength opponents. I won't lose chips against calling stations, bluffers and of course those who really hit the flop. I extract an extra bet whenever I do hit the flop. It's rare that someone just checks behind, as here. Note against a strong, solid opponent, I might c-bet a lot more, since strong players are much more capable/likely to lay down hands.
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