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Old 09-29-2006, 04:19 AM
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

MP3 ($32.45)
CO ($5.75)
Button ($27.05)
SB ($18.95)
Hero ($34.80)
UTG ($48.95)
UTG+1 ($7.95)
MP1 ($42.35)
MP2 ($30.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 raises to $1.5, 2 folds, SB calls $1.40, Hero raises to $4.5, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, SB calls $3.

Flop: ($11) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8.

Turn: ($27) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $6.45 (All-In).

River: ($40.45) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $40.45

Results in white below:
SB has 6s 6c (full house, sixes full of threes).
Hero has Qh Qs (two pair, queens and threes).
Outcome: SB wins $39.90. Hero wins $0.54.
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Old 09-29-2006, 04:27 AM
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I go broke here every time against shorties. The chance he's on some kind of draw or has top pair makes me fire the last bullet every time that happens. Against a big stack I prolly slow down on the turn, though...
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Why not just call the pre flop raise. IMO queens is not a hand you want to be reraising with. With that said, this seems more like he has aces or kings rather than a set/boat. Why not make more of a half pot bet on the flop and check the turn. Set vs overpair is the classic go broke scenario.
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Old 09-29-2006, 07:11 AM
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Why not just call the pre flop raise. IMO queens is not a hand you want to be reraising with.
If I had position on the original raiser, I might flat call more often. Out of position, I'm re-raising everytime.
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Old 09-29-2006, 07:25 AM
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I would play it only marginally different-

* raise more
* put SB all-in (the betting here is really pointless since you're not going anywhere on the turn!)

EDIT: I didnt realize it was 25c game...in that case I'd prolly just call. But as played, raise more pf
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Old 09-29-2006, 07:39 AM
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I would play it only marginally different-

* raise more
* put SB all-in (the betting here is really pointless since you're not going anywhere on the turn!)
I assume you mean raise more PF?
I thought about it but MP3, the original raiser, is a solid opponent and I figure he's going to do 1 of 2 things here.
1. Re-raise me to $12 to $16.
2. Fold.

If he re-raises me, I can easily lay down the hand and save myself some money. If he folds and the SB calls then I'm not too concerned since we don't respect the SB and I'll have position on him. In hindsight I dont think I could have raised enough to get the SB out. If he's calling a $4.5 RE-raise with 66, he's probably calling a $6 raise as well.
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Old 09-29-2006, 07:48 AM
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Yeah but you should deny opponents the odds to call with inferior hands anyways.
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Yeah but you should deny opponents the odds to call with inferior hands anyways.
if he calls a raise, then a reraise with 66 i doubt he would care about odds
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SB put $3 in when calling reraise. He had the possibility of a reraise from the original raiser which means he either wastes that $3 sometimes or ends up all in with 66 as an underpair and 20% equity a lot of the time.

He made about $21 on the hand giving him slightly less than the odds of him flopping a set. McJ probably can fold if an A or K flops and the guy will occasionaly go broke on set vs set, or being a donk on a board like 822. I think that long term McJ was in a very +Ev situation and did deny the shortstack correct odds.
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I agree but you're ignoring the other raiser. He's getting 2.8:1 odds to call, plus he could get McJs whole stack.
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