Cake Poker
Home
Forum
News
Articles
Site Reviews
Book Reviews
Interviews
Chat
Tournaments
60% Rakeback
50% RakebackNew!
125% Rakeback
Probabilities
Glossary
Poker Gear
Links
Advertise
User Name  
 
Password
Cookie?  
 
 
Poker Players on Launchpoker.com
LaunchPoker.com provides you with all the information you need about this year's WSOP event, from the 2008 WSOP schedule to the latest 2008 WSOP updates.
Online poker reviews of rooms such as Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars and Titan Poker.
Click here to play!
Extras

Cool Hand Poker. Get $350 Free!!
PokerListings

Go Back PokerForums.org > Strategy Discussion > Ring Hand Analysis > I donked this one

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 09-28-2006, 05:06 PM
Chaser
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 132
Trade Rating: (0)
Default I donked this one

http://www.pokerhand.org/?531209

I feel so passive. What would you have done differently? I think I should have bet the river. Was I out of line calling the reraise and the turn bet? I just didnt think he had a set because he was playing it so strongly.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 09-28-2006, 05:29 PM
Bagonirix's Avatar
Mike McDermott
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brunson, Amarillo, Crandall? Do I need to say more.
Posts: 3,128
Trade Rating: (1)
Send a message via AIM to Bagonirix
Default

Raise turn, 3/4 pot on river. Looks like a busted FD.
__________________
idkmybffjill?

Last edited by Bagonirix; 09-28-2006 at 05:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 09-28-2006, 06:38 PM
the alex's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Nort Side o' Shi-kawgo
Posts: 7,961
Trade Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to the alex Send a message via MSN to the alex Send a message via Yahoo to the alex
Default

Weak.

Raise to at least $7 on the flop. 2/3 the turn. 1/2 the river. I don't know your read on the guy, but the ONLY reason to just call the raise on the flop is if you KNOW he's betting the the turn and you're gonna check-raise him so fast his dick falls off.

You're out of position. Keep the lead.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by FaDi View Post
GodFadiR (12:32:45 AM): but lets be honest
GodFadiR (12:32:48 AM): who doesnt wanna fuck me
WotaWotaWota (12:33:22 AM): I do
WotaWotaWota (12:33:27 AM): in tehanus
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 09-28-2006, 08:12 PM
Chaser
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 132
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Whenever I am in this position (an overpair with a raiser) I am always afraid I am up against a set. How do I deal with this?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006, 12:39 PM
obga's Avatar
Stu Ungar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: USA - VA
Posts: 2,312
Trade Rating: (5)
Limits Played: $0.05-$0.10 NL
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eldave04 View Post
Whenever I am in this position (an overpair with a raiser) I am always afraid I am up against a set. How do I deal with this?
yoga
__________________
Quote:
tEh_R3aLde4L [observer]: WHAT WERE YOUR HOLDINGS tEh_R3aLde4L [observer]: TWOGOF tEh_R3aLde4L [observer]: WHAT WERRE YOUR POCKET CARDS
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2006, 02:39 PM
phoenixdan5's Avatar
Stu Ungar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,442
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the alex View Post

check-raise him so fast his dick falls off.
Thats an interesting analogy
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 10-01-2006, 09:33 AM
Chaser
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 132
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by obga View Post
yoga
Does that mean just take the hit and go broke, then do some yoga or what? This happened to me twice yesterday and went broke on both.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 10-01-2006, 09:55 AM
WotaWaster's Avatar
PokerForums God
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Luton, England
Posts: 5,008
Trade Rating: (6)
Limits Played: $2-$4 NL
Send a message via AIM to WotaWaster Send a message via MSN to WotaWaster Send a message via Yahoo to WotaWaster
Default

On that board 832 with 2 hearts and at the $25NL level I would NEVER fold AA in a heads up pot. Your opponent could easily be prepared to go all in on that flop with TT-KK, Ax hearts and possibly A8, 89 - who knows?
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 10-01-2006, 05:14 PM
Eclipse86's Avatar
Poker Professional
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 1,615
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

Personally, I would have jacked it up to 3-4$ PF... this way u deny implied odds for anyone to call with lower PP for set value - even if they do hit and stack you, they still lose $$ to you in the long run from making that pf call.

In any case, from the way u played it PF. I think you actually played it very well on all streets - some people may disagree because this is NL25, and at this level people are prepared to go all in with TP on any board or any overpair (so it may actually be more profitable to play this hand harder because the amount of $$ u gain from stacking someone that can't fold TP or an overpair here may actually surpass the amount of money u lose to the set or 2pair). But in any case, if this was a NL50 table or higher, and I took the same line that you did PF (raise only 4 BB), I would have played it almost similar.

The only things I would have done differently however, is that I would have bet this river with a value/blocking bet of about 6-7$, either that or cr all in on the turn, depending on the remaining stack size of the villian. I also would have bet the flop harder (about 80-100% of ps).

In my experience, Villians min raise on flop either means hes really strong or relatively weak compared to you. He could either have a set, or 99-JJ here, maybe even A8.. etc.. So basically he either has u drawing to 2 outs, or you have him drawing to 2 outs - on a flop like this your either way ahead or way behind. This is why I think flat calling his flop min raise is probably the best option here on the flop, because you gain more value from when u are ahead to a weaker holding by letting him do the turn betting, and u minimize ur losses when u are behind and drawing to a 2 outer (by keeping the pot small).

If you 3-bet this flop, most hands that you beat are folding (and therefore u lose value from when u are ahead), and your only really going to get called or re-raised when u are behind to the set. Although some people may disagree here, because this is only a NL25 game. But nonetheless, this would have been the way I would have approached the hand if it was a NL100 game or higher and I think this is the type of mentality that you should get into if you arent planning to stay at NL25 for a long time.


EDIT: Woops, after re-reading ur HH, I found out that this was Pot-Limit HE. In which case, some of the stuff I have just wrote may not apply - As I thought it was NLHE.

Last edited by Eclipse86; 10-01-2006 at 05:20 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 10-01-2006, 08:13 PM
Chaser
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 132
Trade Rating: (0)
Default

That s how I felt after I played it, I should have at least bet the river. I am trying to play as I would if it was NL100 as this is where I am trying to get to. I have been playing my overpairs really strong since this hand and have been stacked 3 times, and won none. Most of these were lucky donkeys with draws, top pairs, or amazing bluffs that hit the river ala http://www.pokerhand.org/?536673 . It has been a really crappy couple of days for poker, but I think I am still playing fairly well, and I hope to be on the $100 tables by the end of october.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:59 AM.

   Designed by
      
No Deposit Bonus
Poker Strategy
Poker Rooms
PartyPoker Bonus Codes
Poker Site USA
Online Casino Bonuses
Pokerspiele
Casinos That Accept USA Players
Poker Rakeback
Full Tilt bonus code
Rakeback
Casino
Nowadays in the Internet the Players are looking for a good Casino Bonus to find the best possible options for online Roulette.There is now the option of RtlPoker and a nice Casino Bonus to play some other games then just Poker.
The ideal casino site for gokkasten and even online poker including online casino games that can be found on mijn online casino, your casino information site for when gambling online or even offline.
Party Poker bonus code & room review
Tony G talks about his experinces in his blog
REVIEW OF PARADISE POKER WEBSITE
Online Poker Room Directory and latest poker news
Best Online Poker info on Internet!
Ultimate Bet new 40% deposit bonus
Copyright © 2004-2008 PokerForums.org, a Merendi Networks Inc. project.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.