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09-27-2006, 04:28 PM
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Ugh...Critique
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)
CO ($159.90)
Button ($100.25)
Hero ($141.75)
BB ($46.35)
UTG ($47)
MP ($176.40)
Preflop: Hero is SB with  ,  .
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Button calls $3, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, UTG calls $6, Button calls $6.
Flop: ($28)  ,  , (3 players)
Hero bets $20, UTG calls $20, Button raises to $91.25, Hero raises to $132.75, UTG calls $18 (All-In).
Turn: ($290) (3 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($290) (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $290
Main Pot: $142, between Button, Hero and UTG. > Pot won by UTG ($142).
Pot 2: $148, between Button and Hero. > Pot won by Button ($148).
Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
UTG has 5d 3d (straight, seven high).
Button has Th Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Button wins $148. UTG wins $142.
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09-27-2006, 04:37 PM
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Stu Ungar
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let me guess, 10's or 7's ownd you
these are not result oriented
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09-27-2006, 04:42 PM
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Stu Ungar
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never mind the donk UTG but mind the button
he limps and calls your raise
i automatically put him on a pair only because hes looking to catch something
so his range at this point, 44-1010, i feel he might raise with jj so late in pos
you lead out because you hae an assumed strangle hold on the hand..then our button puts you on a slight hair pulling situation, here you are sitting with a monster but its 70 more to call to you, what could he have
he hit his hand, this all in screams i want action because i have the shit, and he knows you have a monster because you raised so much in the sb...he basically loved you, fucked you, and left you....this is how all women feel after a one night stand, now you remember how it feels the next time you do it!!
ive been trying to get better at reading sets so this was a pretty easy one to read
nevermind that idiot UTG
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09-27-2006, 04:46 PM
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Mike McDermott
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I was going to fold after the button moved all-in, but I was on a rush, and said fuck it.
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09-27-2006, 06:29 PM
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I don't actually see how you can be reading that set so easily. If button's willing to call every raise, yeah he could have a set, but also Ax PF. I think you have to C/R this instead of B3B.
If you check, and he's got his set, more than likely he's going to bet pretty weak to induce your raise. So do it. If he comes over the top of that all-in, you know you're beat (min. bet to re-raise AI is a big donk tell). Your hand became quite the clusterfuck with your lead out.
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09-28-2006, 02:23 PM
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thats because im better then you
if this donk pushes ace 10, he dosnt deserve to be playing at these limits, but he has 2 players in the pot so he knows someone is gonna pay him via a chase or an over pair..he played it well and got shafted
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09-28-2006, 02:28 PM
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thats because im better then you
if this donk pushes ace 10, he dosnt deserve to be playing at these limits,
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LOL you know how many people I see push with that at these limits.
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09-28-2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by obga
thats because im better then you
if this donk pushes ace 10, he dosnt deserve to be playing at these limits, but he has 2 players in the pot so he knows someone is gonna pay him via a chase or an over pair..he played it well and got shafted
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Maybe so...but I don't think he played it all that well. Well, not as well as he could've. If he had gone for a check-raise he could've saved from losing all of his chips.
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09-28-2006, 03:02 PM
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You see how horrible they play, even if he did have KK there was no reason to push all in even though it was going all-in any way, he probably could have gotten away from it, very very very slim chance like 1%
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)
UTG ($113.15)
MP ($121.15)
CO ($48.90)
Button ($68.05)
SB ($100)
Hero ($208.20)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  ,  .
2 folds, CO raises to $48.9, 2 folds, Hero calls $47.90.
Flop: ($98.30)  ,  , (2 players)
Turn: ($98.30) (2 players)
River: ($98.30) (2 players)
Final Pot: $98.30
Main Pot: $98.30, between CO and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($98.30).
Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and sevens).
CO has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $98.30.
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09-28-2006, 03:07 PM
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The more we know, the less likely we are to repeat the errors of the past. This is not a hand about cards. It's about reads. Any history on Button?
UTG is of no consequence. He has no money. It's a pot sweetener. We'll look at Villian and assume we have UTG beat. We break even here if UTG wins the main and we wint he side. These can apply to both Villians, but we're looking at button.
1.) Button cold-called the $3. People will re-raise 3x raises with QQ and JJ A LOT!!! So, he's got TT-22, Ax, KQ, KJ, or a suited connector. He doesn't have an over pair to this flop. Less reason to push.
2.) He can push this with any A-hi diamond draw and 3d5dagainst which we're a slight favorite. Pot's offering up a little less than 2:1. Big reason to push.
3.) He can push this with 6d7d, 7d8d, Ad7d, 5d7d, 7d9d, 8d9d, 5d6d, and 6d8d (double guttted) against which we're a slight dog. Pot's offering 2:1. Big reason to push.
4.) He can be pushing with 8's or 9's. Big reason to push.
5.) He WILL push with TT, 77 and 44. Less reason to push.
Everything here leads to a push, but against someone who we know doesn't make a lot of cold-calls or play a lot of hands take away points #2 and #3- probably #4, as well.
Knowing Villian makes a push +EV because of the ~$160 in the pot or a waste of $90 because if he's cautious enough to not play suited connectors in raised pots that look to go heads-up, he won't cold-call PF with QQ and JJ to push this flop witht he action in front of him- he'd be playing for set value or to push to weakness. Strength has been shown.
Basically, I'd have to know the guy like the back of my hand to fold this in a cash game with a pot so big. I folded a set of 4's in a live game that I posted to a guy that I've played with for 6-15 hours a week for over 2 years. That was one hand in one moment in time that stands alone.
Against an unknown for cash, I'd beat his ass to the pot. Overall, this is probably only a marginally +EV push. I suck at numbers, though. Someone can run the combos and shit with both players, but this is a monstrous pot with draws that lead us far enough in the direction that we profit here.
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