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Old 09-27-2006, 11:27 AM
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Here are the typical hands I'll see a flop with (8-10 players):

AA
KK
AK suited
QQ

^These I usually bet 4x blind


AQ suited
JJ
AJ suited
10 10
A10 suited

^These I usually bet 3x blind

AK offsuit
K (Q-9) suited
Q (J-10) suited
J (10-9) suited
Pairs of 6 to 9

^ These I usually bet 2x blind


A (Q-10) offsuit
A (9-2) suited
K (Q-9) offsuit
Q (J-10) offsuit
J (10-9) offsuit
suited connectors over 4 (4-5, 5-6, etc)
Pairs of 2 through 5

^ These I generally limp in



Anything wrong with this *general* strategy for non-tourny play?

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Old 09-27-2006, 11:35 AM
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5xBB
AA
KK
QQ

4xBB
AK
AQ
JJ
AJ
10 10
99

Limp
A 10
A (9-2) suited
K (J-9)
Q (J-10)
J (10-9)
suited connectors
Pairs of 2 through 8
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I bet more depending on position or how many limpers are in front of me, generally I raise less in EP and more in LP and more when there are limpers in front of me. At the micro level though, I always am gonna raise for at least 6bb with AA, KK or QQ. The higher the stakes you may want to mix it up and raise suited connectors to keep your opponents guessing. When I limp I usually do so with Axs, suited connects, or low/mid pocket pairs. It's hard to give guidlines exactly how much to raise because it really depends on the table (loose/tight) and if you raise the different amounts for different hands all the time you can become predictable to attentive opponents.
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It's straight situational. If I'm chilling UTG or MP w/ AA I'll raise probably 4x. But if I'm CO or Button, and 3-4 limp, I'm jacking up to 7x or so.
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At the micro level though, I always am gonna raise for at least 6bb with AA, KK or QQ.
How would you handle a middle pocket pair if you're 7th in line and have 2 or 3 limpers in front of you?
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How would you handle a middle pocket pair if you're 7th in line and have 2 or 3 limpers in front of you?
limp and then fold if I don't hit a set.
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Only donkeys have systems like that where their cards determine the size of their PF bet.
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trying to be positive..

this does tell everyone what you've got. The problem starts with AA - QQ.

a] At best..ppl will fold everytime you do 4bb... or even worse - if they know what they are doing then they will call..lol

b] If your on blinds are you really going to give up BB to every 4xbb raise?

Poker at even mid-limits is very little about your starting cards... Think carefully about 1] and 2]... we're here to help....
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I started off raising 4+limpers * bb i.e. You're on the Button with AJ. There's a UTG and MP limper, so you raise 6x, limp or fold. This depends on the games you're playing and what message is sent. Raising is about sending a message and the receiver of the message is as important as the messenger. There are games where 4x open raises get no respect, games where people will call any raise after they've already limped, and games where 3.5x + .5bb/limper work.

Raising is meaningless if you don't know what you want the raisie to accomplish. You want different results in every situation. But in lo-stakes NL games, generally 4x*.5bb to 1bb per limper works in a vacuum.
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