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Old 09-27-2006, 01:17 AM
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How would you play this hand? You're short stacked and haven't been dealt a decent hand in the last 60 minutes. BB plays pretty loose, but you're hoping for a payoff and don't want to scare him away...


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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $60.65
UTG+1: $46.55
MP1: $49.50
MP2: $24.75
MP3: $25.50
CO: $23.50
Button: $56.75
feint06: $11.25
BB: $50

Pre-flop: (9 players) feint06 is SB with
7 folds, feint06 calls, BB checks.

Flop: ($1, 2 players)
feint06 checks, BB bets $1, feint06 calls.

Turn: ($3, 2 players)
feint06 checks, BB bets $1.5, feint06 calls.

River: ($6, 2 players)
feint06 checks, BB bets $2.5, feint06 raises all-in $8.25, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $22.5
feint06 showed As Kd
BB showed 3s 5c
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Old 09-27-2006, 01:54 AM
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move down a few stakes. I don't see how you can profit at 50nl playing like this. Raise preflop, or limp, I dont care.
Bet pot on flop.
Bet pot on turn.
bet pot on river.

you are lucky this guy made a hand.

poorly played.
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Old 09-27-2006, 02:05 AM
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Don't limp because you don't want to scare him away. Sometimes you'll get called when you raise, and sometimes not, that's poker. Since you limped, bet pot on the flop.
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Old 09-27-2006, 08:17 PM
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Did I play any better on this hand? 9-person freeroll tournament with blinds just about to go up again. This particular table is very loose (45% seeing flop on average):

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP3 (t1320)
CO (t3130)
Button (t5740)
SB (t1265)
BB (t10350)
UTG (t4630)
UTG+1 (t24410)
MP1 (t3940)
Hero (t2415)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 calls t50, Hero raises to t200, 1 fold, CO calls t200, Button calls t200, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls t150, MP1 calls t150.

Flop: (t1075) A, 5, 3 (5 players)
UTG+1 bets t100, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t2215, CO calls t2215, Button folds, UTG+1 raises to t4330, CO calls t715 (All-In).

Turn: (t10550) K (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t10550) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t10550

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Old 09-27-2006, 08:26 PM
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i think you should bet pot on flop insetad of all in. i guess all in is okey 4 freeroll
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Old 09-28-2006, 01:08 AM
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Hand 1 :

Dude, poker is ultimately about mistakes - you need to make few mistakes yourself and put pressure on your opponents to make big mistakes.
If you look at the hand you posted - where did your opponent make a mistake? Not once. When did you make a mistake? Every street.

Open limping on the button should mainly be reserved for hands that have high implied odds (small PPs, SCs), but you need to learn how to play Premium hands first. You said yourself that the BB was loose - so make a standard raise (3-4x the BB) and get him to make a mistake by calling with a dominated hand. If he folds his trash hand - what can you do?

If he calls with his trash hand and then flops a monster - then he has still made a mistake. You only have a stack of 20BBs so he doesn't have any implied odds.

Because you only limped on the button, you also have no idea what he could have. However you've got to lead that flop for the pot or close to it. Same with the turn.

If I'm honest I thought your hand was going to win, but his bet on the river looked suspiciously like a value bet. If he's got a mediocre hand like a weak ace he would probably have checked behind.
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Thanks to everyone for the advice. I played a bit more aggressively tonight early in the pots, and restrained myself from going all-in unless I knew I had the best hand. It was much easier to predict what people had when there weren't 4 or 5 people limping in to each flop...

In a freeroll tourny for entry into a paid tourny -- I finished 24th (first spot to earn an entry). I did have an incredible rush 2 hours in (got 4 of a kind twice in 20 hands) that helped me build a stack and take the pressure off. So while there was definitely a lot of luck involved, I also know I played much better.
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Old 09-28-2006, 02:09 AM
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Oh, and the results to hand two in case anyone was dying to know:



Results in white below:
UTG+1 has 2c 4h (straight, five high).
Hero has Ac Js (one pair, aces).
CO has Td 4s (high card, ace).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t10550.
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