UTG claims to have folded KQ.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

SB ($15.35)
Hero ($24.30)
UTG ($19.05)
UTG+1 ($20)
MP1 ($26)
MP2 ($11.20)
MP3 ($15)
CO ($24.50)
Button ($24.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , .
UTG raises to $0.5, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 (poster) calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25.

Flop: ($2.35) , , (4 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1, MP2 raises to $2.25, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $6, UTG folds, MP2 calls $3.75.

Turn: ($15.35) (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP2 calls $4.70 (All-In).

River: ($25.05) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $25.05

Results in white below:
Hero has Js Ah (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP2 has 9h 8h (two pair, tens and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $25.04.

In Glory Corner?

Up until you re-raised MP to $6 you were doing alright but it goes downhill from there imo. Jack-Ten is a favourite limping hand for most Hold'em players (I know UTG min-raised to 50 cents but other than sweetening the pot it wouldn't stop a limper coming in and only comes across as suspicious so is a rather useless and stupid betting strategy) When MP raised you on the flop you should have given him credit for more than just 2nd pair - he should have been more respectful of BB leading out with anything less than top pair - unless you both have been playing fast and loose!! Both re-raises were poor poker I think!
The turn now have 3 to a str8 and a possible flush draw. also a connector to top and 2nd pair so has a better than average probability for 2 pair to a limper. You apparently are not bother by these observations and lead out for the remainder of MP's chips - which if he made 2 pair, a str8 or had trips would probably have beat you into the pot!! The only redeeming factor in putting MP all-in was the donk actually called with only one pair (3rd pair at that! ) and even if he made trips on the river he can't make you pay any more. He's playing too short stacked and has become less of a threat and in essents is giving you a freeroll on the river - this guy needs to do some reading!
River - Well if he was playing 2nd pair you just got hooped! Good thing he's out of chips otherwise he might have been able to bluff off this pot!

Well since I thought you both played it like donkeys I guess Glory Corner may serve for this post since the Kidd hasn't created a Donkey Corner yet - Just kidding - don't get too uptight! More seriously, take a critical eye to your post and be honest about your play - was it good poker?

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D'OH! Wrong forum again.

hahahaha....
MP2 is an idiot (as evidenced by his play in this hand.) We don't fear him at all. In fact his raise is LESS concerning than if he had just flat called. I was more afraid of UTG here and thought the best way to get him out was to re-raise. I was also thinking that MP2 would lay it down but when he didn't I realised on the turn that I was pot committed. And since I was probably calling his all in anyways I figured I might as well push.

Maybe you should also do some reading!

MP2 has OESD plus 1 pair. If he puts MrMcJ on AJ or KK/AA (obviously QQ has 2 of his outs).

He has 4 Queens, 4 Sevens, 2 Nines and 3 Eights. Pot is offering him 4-1 odds. Justifiable call on turn.

Flop was a bit silly for MP2 to call, he may as well of just pushed if he was playing hand.

A bit silly?? U Think? The only reason the pot was offering 4-1 on the turn was the donk re-raised to $2.25 and then called the $6 re-raise. At the time he had NATTA except a open-ended draw and should have just called the ititial $1 bet. What he was thinking is probably too incoherant to understand anyway but following up on the turn was simply a consequence of being stupid on the flop - calling it justifable on the turn because he now has the odds he put in himself is reversed implied odds at its worse! 2 wrongs do not make a right! Playing suckout poker is losing poker and this donk compounded his error by playing shortstacked so that even if he did suckout on the river, he couldn't get paid off proportionally to the risk (and cost) he was taking!

What you are implying by calling this justifable is that all draws should re-raise on the flop to help ensure getting proper odds on the turn or to claim being pot-committed! If that's good poker in your books please give me the titles so I can avoid buying them.

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This is such a big mistake that poker players make- committing themselves to the pot by overinflating their own odds as MP2 did. Because of the little that was behind MP2, on such a draw heavy flop, if you think you have the best hand, push the flop after he re-raises to $2.25 because you committed yourself with the inflation as well.

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I thought about it but I figured if UTG was hiding a big hand, raising to $6 could save me some $ and allow me to escape if he suddenly decided to stick in a raise.

But if you saw a donkish friend play the hand like this and he then said take over my hand I need a piss you would call the turn bet right?

Aces, JT, Tens, and Deuces are the only hands that I can see UTG playing like this with the PF min. raise- less tens more deuces because people tend to open the pot for min. raises with AJ-A[parking ticket], KQ, KJ, QJ, JT and pairs from 66-22 or Aces.

So really, you're only looking at 3 hands (~12 combos?) that you have to fear and this depends on how much of a moron UTG is. Will he smooth-call you with a set, Jacks up, or AA to that flop? I think you need to answer that question before re-raising to decide whether you'll fold or isolate MP2.

Calling works if you're pushing to good turn cards (which that turn was not) if UTG folds the flop (which he's not gonna do if you don't re-raise. He's already weakly called $1). Pushing's a bit of a gamble and we have no read on UTG from his history, but your position doesn't allow much with MP2's stack and the weakness from UTG. Not to mention that your flop bet was an unneccessary weak lead.

With TPTK and 4 players seeing the flop, checking is better than a weak lead and I don't like checking. You really need to know where you're at here. You bet. You got a call and a raise, yet you were still confused as to the PF raiser's status, so you can't argue that the weak lead was a waste of finger nerves here. This is a situation where you need to bet $2 or check and make your decisions one at a time. If someone bets after you check, with 4 players seeing the flop in a $25 game, there is no way that this hand isn't seeing a turn card so a check-raise won't end the hand on the flop.

Everyone plays this situation differently. I would personally lead out for $2 and push re-raise a MP2 and MP3 (poster ). UTG, I'd handle if I needed to, but the only lo card on the board is a deuce and no Ace hit the flop, so I'm not too worried about him.

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