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09-24-2006, 04:37 PM
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$300NL hand =- any thoughts?
10 handed game - Action table, 2-3 proper fish and table flops seen around 35%. $15+ (5bb) getting 2+ calls regularly.
I have just raised AKo to $20 following several limps, had 1 cold call and then a shortstack (who had limped UTG) pushed all in for $100, I reraised all in and the cold caller folded. My AK hit to beat his QQ.
Few hands later I am dealt QQ in UTG+1 (my stack is now $400ish).
Fish UTG limps (he could literally have any 2 cards and will call my raise)
I make it $20
3 cold calls and limper calls so 5 see flop.
Flop  (Pot $100)
Im pretty happy with this. Only really fearing 22 and UTg checks so I bet out $80.
2 folds, button calls, UTG folds
Turn  (Pot $260)
Button has $240 left. He did lose a huge pot when his AA lost to trip 9's not that long ago and I feel he is towards aggresive end of spectrum, however havent seen any tiltish or ridiculous calls/bluffs shown down.
I check
Button bets $120
Do you like play so far and how do you play now?
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09-24-2006, 06:23 PM
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Stu Ungar
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bets half his stack into half the pot...id reraise him, i think he pushes this flop with aa kk, he might have jj 1010 or 99 the range of hands we beat is more favorable to the hands that beat us any 8 x or 22 ...so he might think his is over pair is good
i like your play, i think he folds to anything you bet on the turn so you've commited him
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09-24-2006, 06:52 PM
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The guy could be on a FD. I would prolly bet the turn, the check doesn't give you any information since it'll induce a bet in most cases, whether he has something or not. I found that especially donkeys LOVE to bet after any check on any street. Now I dont know whether you intended to lay down the hand, if he bets too strong or if you're going all the way with the hand no matter what he does.
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09-25-2006, 03:19 AM
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Once he made that bet I raised him all in. So I guess my intention was to check-call or check-raise, however I didn't know that at the time. If he pushed I may have folded.
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09-25-2006, 03:55 AM
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Nice play, unless he has an 8 or 22 I dont think he can call.
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09-25-2006, 08:42 AM
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I would have bet the turn as well. I would have put in a bet of $80-$100. Here's why.
If he's ahead, he has A8 or 22. AA, KK would have reraised pf; 88 is too unlikely.
Otherwise, he's on a FD, has a smaller pair or is stubborn with his 2 overs (AQ, AJ, AT).
On the flop, he doesn't know if you are just c-betting or have an actual hand. I can see any of his possible holdings just calling here. His monsters don't want to scare you off; he's not ready to lay down a pocket pair yet; he could be chasing his flush.
Now, on the turn, a 1/3 pot bet looks like a blocking bet. He probably puts you on a) a flush draw b) a pocket pair you aren't quite comfortable with or c) making a weak 2nd bluff.
If he has a monster, this is the place where he has to reraise you. He has to try to get your money in on the turn in case you are drawing. You can be fairly comfortably lay down to a substantial reriase (unless he is really capable of bluff reraising here).
If he's drawing to the FD, you are just barely denying proper odds. But he probably just flat calls.
If he has a smaller pocket pair, he's likely to think his hand is better enough of the time to justify calling here. It also sets him up to call a value bet on the river as well.
I don't mind your check raise, but you either win $120 when he folds, or lose it all if he's got the monster.
Betting 80-100 on the turn, IMO, loses you only that amount when he has a monster. When you have the best hand, you winn the turn bet and a good river value bet of another 100-150 when he has a pair. I like this a little bit better.
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09-25-2006, 03:20 PM
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The correct turn play imo, is to check-raise all in.
Reasons being that, your obviously not gonna fold this on the turn because of his remaining stack size vs the current potsize. The only hands you really fear are 88 (unlikely), 22, or a suited connector with an 8 in it, or maybe even A8s. Most of those hands are raising you on that flop. Becauseo of the way ur opponent played the hand on the flop, theres also a good chance ur opponent could be holding a flush draw with 2 overs, 99-JJ.
If u decide to bet the turn, the only bet u can really do is to bet the full pot and set him all in. With that being said, if u do decide to bet the turn, your only going to get called if you are behind. Therefore, it is better to CR all in. This way u get more long term value by letting ur opponent bet the turn with a weaker holding before having to put all your money in the pot.
Also your flop play was good. Although I may bet less on the flop tho like maybe 65-70.
Last edited by Eclipse86; 09-25-2006 at 03:23 PM.
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09-25-2006, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Eclipse86
The correct turn play imo, is to check-raise all in.
Reasons being that, your obviously not gonna fold this on the turn because of his remaining stack size vs the current potsize. The only hands you really fear are 88 (unlikely), 22, or a suited connector with an 8 in it, or maybe even A8s. Most of those hands are raising you on that flop.
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Why? Those are pretty much lock hands heads-up. I wouldn't want to chase out my opponent...
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09-25-2006, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFish
Why? Those are pretty much lock hands heads-up. I wouldn't want to chase out my opponent...
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what are u talking about dude? i dont quite understand ur statement
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09-26-2006, 02:05 PM
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Hes saying if you have 22 or a 8 on a flop 882 he would be unlikely to raise since he would want me to bet my overpair/AK again on turn/river.
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