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Old 09-04-2006, 04:37 PM
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This guy was such a nit and had just taken a beat by overplaying top pair to my straight and an overpair of tens to someone else's 2 pair in the last 5 minutes. He was obviously a 2-card donkey, but he was laying down when his CB's and weak leads were raised without hands. Never just calling the raises- just raising or folding.

In the straight hand, I called his $20 PF on the button with 86s. I flopped the straight. He bet $41. I called and he bet the pot to a King for around $120(?). I called. He bet $120 on the river and I pushed. He called with AA. He wasn't playing many hands, though, so his range is limited.

Question here is that with this guy and his half-stack, is this an insta-push? Am I calling because he won't bet a flush on the turn without one himself? What's in his range to lead into me here? We haven't been in blind wars in over an hour. I think he's a good player that could just be getting bad breaks right now or underestimating his opponents' postflop play.

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Button: $490.25
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Double Gutted: $1290

Pre-flop: (5 players) Double Gutted is BB with
3 folds, SB raises to $20, Double Gutted raises to $65. SB calls $45.

Flop: ($130, 2 players)
SB bets $65, Double Gutted _________________ ???

EDIT: I just posted the hand where I doubled through Villian: Nothing Wrong With Playing Trash. Just Flop the Nuts, obv.
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Old 09-04-2006, 04:39 PM
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It's an autofold (But then I know how the hand ends.) Yeah, I'm pushing in this situation.
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Old 09-04-2006, 04:48 PM
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It's an autofold (But then I know how the hand ends.) Yeah, I'm pushing in this situation.
These were the instant questions? Is a push right because he's folding AT, AJ, JJ, 99 here to a push?

I guess the only hands I see him calling in his range from the PF play along with this bet are maybe AQ, maybe AK, AdJd definitely, and TT. 66 would be a horrible PF call because his implied odds would only make to marginally +EV to justify the risk of him having to draw out a straight draw. Set v. Set is such a rare occurence and I could milk an AT, KT(very iffy), JT, JJ, or maybe 99 for more money and he'll tell me if he has a flush if a diamond were to hit. There's the small addition that a push can snap off a slowplayed AA or KK.

There are a lot of maybes in my head here and I'm just re-thinking a lot of general moves I make because people's databases have been beating me more than them lately.
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i think its an insta push. you gotta make him pay for any kind of draw. i would want to take the pot down right here with the diamonds and the possible straight draw (j,9 or j,k). at least the $130 and probably up to $240 to indicate to him, fold.
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I push maybe he put's you on flush draw. KK calls, AA calls, AQ possibly calls. Ak diamonds calls (and if it folds it's not end of world). If he's so nitty, hes not likely to make crazy all in bluff, so either you get action or you don't.
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This guy was such a nit and had just taken a beat by overplaying top pair to my straight and an overpair of tens to someone else's 2 pair in the last 5 minutes. He was obviously a 2-card donkey.

Nice guy. Didn't complain after his beats. Just said "lol. nh." after them. He said, "sry if u had set. couldn't fold there." This just really pissed me off, in general.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $460
CO: $755
Button: $490.25
SB: $374.45
Double Gutted: $1290

Pre-flop: (5 players) Double Gutted is BB with
3 folds, SB raises to $20, Double Gutted raises to $65. SB calls $45.

Flop: ($130, 2 players)
SB bets $65, Double Gutted calls $65.

Turn: ($260, 2 players)
SB bets $149, Double Gutted raises to $245, SB calls all-in for 95.45.

River: ($748.90, 2 players)


Results:
Final pot: $748.90
CO shows Kd Ad
[color=#ffffff]Double Gutted doesn't show Qc Qs
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I don't know if I push the flop but definitely raise it enough to make him push. Say to $280-300 or so.
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Yea you said yourself, he'll raise/fold a raise to his C-bet, which is exactly what you want...
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I think you played it perfectly, from how you described him, he doesnt sound like the type of player to make that kind of bet on a flush draw, plus his stack is small. Looks like he is overplaying a pair of queens, or a set of tens (I think the set of tens is more likely). I like the smooth call and bet on the turn, either way he is stuck and I doubt he is going to fold.
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