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  1. #1
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    Default newbie - doubts and pains

    hi all,

    I started to play online poker week ago, couple of hours at weekend days, hour or so at "normal" days and some questions appear in my head. I hope you can help me with them and clarify some gray areas.

    first of all from my very limited experience it seems that people will bet, raise and go all in with virtually any kind of hand. AA, 22, 42, 77, no matter what they have - they bet to the end just to see a river. and unfortunately I lose very often because they draw second pair, flush, three of a kind and at one occasion I lost to royal flush: I had AA in my hand so I bet 10BB, got called, flop was Ad, 6h, 3d, I went all in, guy went all in - cards landed: 5d, 6d and he had 2d4d in his hand. who would predict something like that?

    of course yesterday I had AA, went all in, cards landed and I ended up winning with 5 straight so dumb luck plays both ways. but it seems to favour my opponents more than me so I don't like it

    I tried some SnG's but I don't feel that kind of game. I tried to play from the start I never got into final three. I tried to play only strong hands and go all in - same result, only few dolars or euros lost.

    I play at 0.02/0.04 tables so money goes relatively slow but opponents' draws sometimes costs me big chunks of my bankroll. And what mostly frustrates me is that when I try to play only strong hands I wait, and wait, and wait, and wait... and finally I have KK, bet strong and guy calls, flop is K 10 2, I go bigger and most of time guy is drawing something stronger than my K trio. so what's the point in waiting so long?

    after couple of hours playing at micro I went to limit 0.5/1 table with my last 13 euros in my pocket and... left the table with 37 euros about half an hour later. there was six of us at table for 10 so rounds were pretty fast and blinds hurt a little but people seemed to be more resilient in hand they played. I bluffed few times with A10o but mostly I played pairs 99+ and folded otherwise so I think I played rather good game not like some maniac calling everything and drawing miracles. so could it be than higher stake is less dumb luck driven or I just got lucky like people I am complaining about earlier?

    my biggest doubt is about "patience" part of poker. I play an hour, two, three, and play maybe 10 hands in that time and have 20 cents more that I came with so where is the profit from it. I know I can't turn 10 euros into millions but hour of my life is worth more than 5 cents! yes, maybe I should stop play poker and go do something with my life but I like the idea of learning and playing a good game.

    and all of those advices for newbies like "they take your 5 bucks in a second by dumb luck but they loose it next day to somebody else". well, I don't care if they loose it, I care that they took money from me in a first place. so what, should I just fold with triple A when guy keeps calling my bets and raises because he may have something better? I'm not talking about bluffing, I'm talking about losing money with really strong hands. I know it happens due to luck factor of a game but why I keep losing and they keep winning?

    ok, sorry for going postal on you but I felt like if I don't share my pains with somebody I go and do something completely stupid with my money.

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    Last edited by malika9; 10-08-2011 at 07:24 AM.

  2. #2
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    I understand you are frustrated about your good hands seemingly being beaten. Well the thing to remember is this, if people can tell you are new to the game tight etc they will call you for a reason, the reason is that they hope that you will strongly overplay your AA in this spot. eg I see you raise know your tight and predict you have AA AK QQ etc and think this guy is new I have two suited cards and enough chips versus his stack to gamble also his range is high my cards are low so we will hit with different things, but I guess he might overbet or go all in to protect his AA AK etc. Now I call your 'relatively' small first raise with 24d and see the flop you described this is perfect for me as I now have a gutshot straight draw meaning all fives in the pack are going to give me a straight that I am almost certain has your AK AAA etc covered, on top of this I have a gutshot straight flush and flush draw. All I need to do is hit any diamond in the pack 30% and if I hit diamonds that give me a straight flush I even have a full house covered in the worst case scenario that you currently have a set of aces and improve to a full house. So when you go all in this oponenet knows you have it but he has deliberately called your raise while it was still cheap to see a flop like the one you described. If they had enough chips to easily cover this they are more likely to call because they only a slught underdog to AK almost even money and they are 33 to 66 against AAA but then again they may think there is a lot of money on the table. Many players target tight raises and they are worth watching for my guess is that had the flop been AK2 rainbow and you bet most of these callers simply fold, knowing it is an easy decision. This is a tough aspect of poker but if you watch players tendancies especially with raises you will get more of an idea what is happening when you bet and see a call you will begin to realise what they are trying to get to. Some players will call with literally ATC to make it more difficult for you to work out the funky hand they are trying to get too. Still you played that hand bravely and well but I might recommend that you can get cards like AA and raise them a ridiculous amount in relation to the blinds as sometimes hands like KK will still overraise you but hands like 24 diamonds are very much less likely to be in the mix, my perspective on AA is this you want to play vs another tight player with them and bust AK AQ with them. This hand that you are describing to me happened to me a while back and I busted someones aces with a 34567 straight but they did two things wrong they bet 3 xx bb with aces making my call an easy one then went all in without the set when I had an open ended straight flush draw more powerful draw than the one you came against. I was 70% percent favourite to win at the all in would I gamble here yes of course 70 percent odds with enough chips to cover their stack is fine by me

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    So to simplify that first response people will often loose call with suited cards suited connectors to the first raise in the hope of a good flop with the flush straight cards they like if they don't get this its an easy fold for them having lost only the first raise amount if they do hit it and you overplay AA with all they take your chips. Hope this helps. So watch for suited cards when you raise and if they miss raise again also watch for the basics of a small straight especially ones that stuff like 56 will fit into as suited connectors are the strongest of the small cards

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    Sounds like you do better at Limit than no limit.

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    Online poker takes a little longer than a week to master.





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