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  1. #1
    Fish Food
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    Smile Help Advice needed!

    Good Evening All

    I have posted here before and got some sound advice.
    I AM GOING TO start playing micro stake poker games. I have taken my my play money account from 10,000 to 18,755 playing 5/10 limit hold em. I have implamented new stragergies as outlined in various book (although some of the pocket cards in the correct position show -EV on my calculator). This worked very well for a while, so I started multitabling (to see if I could handle it), this also went very very well. Recently for the last 3week I have been logging on I have been consistantly losing money or just breaking even. I have just given up on multitabling for analysis reasons. But still I am losing. I am wanting to know weather or not I have just hit some varience and its not my play that has effected this.
    I believe I have started losing cash because.
    - I have had very poor pockets card (thus folded), when i got dealt good pocket cards I was out of position and did not call them.
    - When I have had a drawing hand on the flop, the odds have either been incorrect to warrant a call or my hand has missed the majoirty of the time
    - I have suffered a few bad beats on the river with win odds of 0.6-to-1 and so on.
    - I have called some drawing hands with incorrect odd, although not many.

    Do these sound like varience reasons or bad play reasons?

    Also I have been trying to understand an arthour explaination or expected hourly rate based on knowing weather or not you have your opponents beat. I am having a hard time understanding this and would appreicate if somebody could point me towards an easy to understand reference.

    Time to hit the tables.

    Thanks for your time,
    Good Luck with your game.

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    Play money has nothing to do with real money. Even huge money losers can win at the play money tables... that's the whole reason poker servers bother to have them. Inexperienced player comes along, sits down at the play money table, goes from 10,000 to 10,000,000 in a week, thinks "god, I could make money at this," deposits, and goes broke.

    If you want easy money, don't play poker. If you want to get good at poker, accept that you're going to lose at first while you learn. It's often referred to as "tuition." Assume that you're a losing player, not just unlucky, post some hands here for analysis, do some thinking on your own, and eventually you should be able to crush the micros and start moving up.

    Online poker is not nearly as soft as it once was. Even most of the bad players have been playing a long time... although they don't really try to learn from their mistakes, it's impossible to play any game for a long stretch of time and fail to get at least a bit better. Consider carefully whether this is something you're willing to invest many, many hours and a certain amount of money (even at the micros) in before you start winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xopods View Post
    Play money has nothing to do with real money. Even huge money losers can win at the play money tables... that's the whole reason poker servers bother to have them. Inexperienced player comes along, sits down at the play money table, goes from 10,000 to 10,000,000 in a week, thinks "god, I could make money at this," deposits, and goes broke.
    Sad but true... I killed the "Play Money SNG's" and thought I could do the same at the real money SNG's... I was wrong, very wrong.

    But I did learn from my mistakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xopods View Post
    Play money has nothing to do with real money. Even huge money losers can win at the play money tables... that's the whole reason poker servers bother to have them. Inexperienced player comes along, sits down at the play money table, goes from 10,000 to 10,000,000 in a week, thinks "god, I could make money at this," deposits, and goes broke.

    If you want easy money, don't play poker. If you want to get good at poker, accept that you're going to lose at first while you learn. It's often referred to as "tuition." Assume that you're a losing player, not just unlucky, post some hands here for analysis, do some thinking on your own, and eventually you should be able to crush the micros and start moving up.

    Online poker is not nearly as soft as it once was. Even most of the bad players have been playing a long time... although they don't really try to learn from their mistakes, it's impossible to play any game for a long stretch of time and fail to get at least a bit better. Consider carefully whether this is something you're willing to invest many, many hours and a certain amount of money (even at the micros) in before you start winning.
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    I made $1,300,000 playing poker in one month, albeit on facebook. lol

    But I have managed to make tens of thousands playing 6 max cash games in two years. Huge difference right?

    Well I have to say that I was a small loser for quite a while, I over played top pair hands, tried to 'trap with monsters' you know the usual beginner/donkey mistakes that are the right of passage for all players.

    But what you should focus on if you're serious about poker (because we all start out the same) is an education. Read everything worth reading about the game, then whe you have finished, re read it (I'm not kidding here either).

    Also I found poker videos really made a huge difference to my game. Watching how winning players not only play but listening to how they think, was the turning point for me becoming a winning player.

    Good luck to you.

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    As a fellow n00b to money play I'd say it's worth coming in here, asking as many questions as possible, and posting hand logs of any games you want some analysis on ("did I play this right", or "what went wrong"). As long as you ask nicely you will get polite and constructive responses from the expert players here.

    I'm still down on my initial investment at the microlimits, but am moving back up and becoming a much better player, and I attribute that to the discussions I've had in here.
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    Thanks for the great replies.
    I think i have good begginer(maybe intermidiate knowledge) or stratergy. I would like to know alot more about the maths. My plan of action is to read alot of books as sugestted, Use tution software and hit the game hard for playing exprience.

    One last question that I have if i may.
    I use Pot odd and out odd when i hit my drawing hands to see if i should call (and call is all i ever do as i am unable weather or not and when to raise in these situations). I have been reading that u should call when u a 3to1 favorite if the pot is xxx and you would win in the long run. Do I use this data in place of pot odd, Or only when I dont have a drawign hand e.g trips. Or do i use these two figures when deciding a drawing hand.

    Sorry for all the questions but I asspire to be a poker god and will contribute as much as i can with these forums.

    Kind Regards

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    I like your goal.. becoming a poker god. That's awesome.

    I think what you need to decide is what kind of player you are.

    Are you a math guy? Do you calculate pot odds before making every call? Do you have a sound understanding of what pot odds actually are? Do you use implied odds to make poor calls that most other people wouldn't make?

    If so, then you are what I like to call a "calculator". These players usually sit and think about every call they are about to make. Over the long haul, they are typically winning players, but are easily frustrated when the numbers don't work out.

    Here is another type of player. Do you read your opponent? Did you watch their every move and figure out what their poker strategy is? Do you attempt to put a player at the table on a hand every hand? Will you then change your play and make moves that you feel will work?

    If so, you are what I like to call a "strategist". These players are usually the more dangerous of the 2. They have more of a gut intuition than mathmatical understanding of the game. Only problem is when the gut is wrong, it's costly.

    Every poker player starts as 1 of the 2. It's when you can master both worlds and combine them that you can achieve "poker god" status.

    Good luck

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    Thanks for the reply wallace. Ideally I would like to become both, as I have begginners knowledge of stratergy I would like to concentrate on the numbers until they are mastered then become a master stratergy player. I have been doing lots of reading (and re-reading of chapters) the last few days, and im having trouble knowing what type of odds to use in which situations. I am looking for some help again. At the moment I am concentrating on using pot odds and effective odd (I will begin using implied odds once I have these mastered). Once I have made my pre-flop decision. Do I use
    1) win odd V pot odds when all cards are dealt (and possibly drawing dead)
    2) out odds(planning to outdraw) V pot odds with just the river to come
    3) effective odds with the turn and the river to come.

    An answer to weather I am using to correct odds in the correct places would be awesome. .
    Also does anyone know of any good odd training resources?

    Thanks all and Have a good game.
    PS learning to play proper poker is hard! xx

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