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    Default Newbie playing a home game

    Hi Guys,

    Fairly new poker player here so all the usual apologies for stupid questions etc.

    Here is my situation: I had played one game of no limit holdem against strangers at a friends house - really liked it. Started playing online but really wanted the social aspect of it as well so decided to start my own once a month home game with 5-7 friends all of whom are very much beginners as well. £5 buy in, 10 & 20p blinds.

    I am a bit thorough when it comes to things like this and really wanted to know my stuff about the game so I have done a lot of reading of various books and internet sites - let's just say I did my homework. Not because I wanted to take all their money (honestly!) but I just wanted to be a half decent player.

    We have played two games now and both times by the end of the evening I am down the most money. You may think my friends are taking me for a ride but I honestly believe they don't know odds etc they are just having a laugh and going on gut instinct - they make loads of mistakes but I always seem to come out worst.

    Here is the problem: I have taken a lot of newbie advice so I play pretty tight, only getting involved with top ten hands etc I try to raise pre flop where I should. I am just getting to grips with pot odds and I know this will help me drastically - I am working on it. BUT because they are having fun and not playing according to the "rules" (and why should they) they become very difficult opponents. They get involved with terrible hands, their betting patterns are all over the place etc. I am sitting there slowly dribbling my blind money away playing super tight while they are playing pretty crumby hands and winning lots of money. and I am starting to become predictable to them. I try to loosen up but end up loosing more money.
    There is one player who is pretty aggressive - he is nearly always raising - gets involved with practically every hand and always sees things through to the river. Admittedly he sometimes loses big but both games he has ended up with easily the most money. He is a risk taker and I know that counts for a lot in poker - I know I am far too passive and need to toughen up. I just find it hard to push all the way to the end like he does (he quite often has nothing but then makes a big hand on the river) I don't know how to play against someone like this - so sorry for the rambling - any advice would be great on this situation - it's very frustrating as it was my interest in poker that got the whole thing started and now I am losing my money to a jackal!

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    These are the easiest opponents to play. Simply do as you're doing and wait for good hands then charge them on every street.

    BTW £0.1/£0.2 with a £5 buy-in is not a very good structure. You typically want to be playing 100xBBs at least although for beginners less is probably better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anemro
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    I would have a £10 buy in with 5p/10p blinds as it allows you much more room to play post flop.

    Against these guys I would just play very tight, most of them will call with very sub standard hands, don't bluff them and try to play hands in position.

    If you're super new to the game then the concept of position wont seem too important and is easily over looked but take my word for it, being in position (last to act post flop) rocks.

    There is so much free info online to help improve your game. I find that poker training videos helped me a lot when I was starting out. I joined a site called Stoxpoker and for a small monthly fee become a solid winning player. After that I became a cardrunners member and employed a Cardrunners private coach to help me progress even faster.

    If you dont have money to spend on poker training just yet then there are some free poker training videos on the net that are definatly worth checking out.

    Mods, this link is to some free training videos but please feel free to delete if you feel it's in any way inappropriate.

    Free Poker Training Videos: Free Poker Training Videos / Free Poker Training

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonchkid View Post
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    Oh, it's a type of money that's worth something. Unsurprising you're not familiar with the concept.

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    Man that joke would have been so much funnier a few months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anemro View Post
    Hi Guys,


    There is one player who is pretty aggressive - he is nearly always raising - gets involved with practically every hand and always sees things through to the river. Admittedly he sometimes loses big but both games he has ended up with easily the most money. He is a risk taker and I know that counts for a lot in poker - I know I am far too passive and need to toughen up. I just find it hard to push all the way to the end like he does (he quite often has nothing but then makes a big hand on the river) I don't know how to play against someone like this - so sorry for the rambling - any advice would be great on this situation - it's very frustrating as it was my interest in poker that got the whole thing started and now I am losing my money to a jackal!
    Ok if he is constantly raising and firing all three streets with air then you are best playing passivly to let him hang himself. That is of course if that's how he's playing.

    If he's constantly betting and then calling raises with weak hands then I'd wait till I have a top pair/good kicker type hand and check/raise him.

    If I am in position and he fires out at the pot first then I am to act, again I look at my hand strength and if it's good I ask myself is the guy calling big raises after he bets? If yes, build a big pot there and then.

    If the answer is no, and he folds to signs of strength, then I play pasivley and let him put all his money in for me.

    For every player type there is an optimal stratergy. Try and sit with him on your right so that you have position on him in most hands, that will make life easier for youas you get to see what he does first and take it from there.

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    £ looks better than $ anyway, who cares about how strong it is!

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    Thanks for all the advice guys, very helpful. So raising the buy in to lets say £10 and dropping the blinds to 0.5 and 0.10 would make the game last longer and allow bigger bets? I sound so naive - forgive me but that would be the advantage right? It sounds like we are limiting ourselves with our current set up. To be honest, we haven't even got to the stage of raising blinds yet - we just play until a set time and then cash up. Good advice though so thanks everyone who replied.

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    In a cash game (which it sounds like you're playing) you never need to raise the blinds.

    Also having 100 big blinds is standard in cash games and allows for more post flop play.

    With only a £5 buy in and 10p/20p blinds, most of your desisions can be made pre flop and on the flop.

    In the link that I posted the games played in the videos are all micro stake cash games with between and $10 and $20 buy in.

    These should give you a better understanding of how to play in these formats and how to play against loose calling stations.
    good Luck

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