This happened in a live casino game in Seoul South Korea. I haven't played in many casinos but this one is definitely more free-form than others, ie: they don't mind people standing around the table watching the games, you can text message away to your hearts content while playing a hand, things like that.

So a hand progresses to the river and there are 2 sixes on the board. One guy pushes, other guy calls, pot is roughly $5-600. Pusher guy shows a 6 and drops that card on the table and puts his other card on the table face down. The caller then flips his card showing a 6 with something like a 4 for a kicker. Pusher then flips his other card which is an Ace and dealer calls him as the winner of the hand. Caller guy then proceeds to freak out and says that because pusher laid his card face down that means he folded. He claims that is the rule worldwide, that it's not a casino rule, it's a poker rule, and on and on.

(At this point confusion reigns. Dealer speaks no English. Pusher speaks minimal English. They start talking to each other and Caller gets more upset since he can't understand what they are saying. Neither can I, and the few people who had been at our table with Korean/English fluency happen to be gone at the moment. None of that really matter I suppose, just kind of setting the mood.)

Then the poker room manager, who also happened to have stepped out when this was going down, finally appears and he makes the call that the rule is that as long as the face down card hadn't hit the muck it is not a fold, so Pusher wins the hand.

(On another side note Caller didn't like that of course and asks to see the rules. Manager guy phones someone and hands the phone to Caller who is then told that the poker room rules aren't actually written down anywhere which is both funny and potentially disturbing.)


Anyway, what is the rule, or what do you think the rule is or should be? What is the rule at the Casinos you play at? Is it written down?

Thanks.

The floor manage made the right decision b/c its world wide that if your hand isn't mucked and isn't mingled with any other cards then its not considered a fold even if one card faced down. But to receive the pot with a winning hand you must show both cards.

On the subject of slow rolling, I saw a poker after dark cash game special with Phil Helmuth vs some business man. The buisness man had a pocket pair, KK, The flop game 10 6 6 or something, Helmuth had a 10. Nothing more major comes in the hand and when the buisness man called Helmuths bet he says two pair, with phil calling top two pair (which it obviously wasn't. The buisness man turned over his Kings and Helmuth erupts about slow playing and how disrespectful it was etc. While I can see why Helmuth was annoyed about this, is this really a case of slow rolling? Would it have been better for the guy to say Kings and sixes? or whatever?

I can only imagine how much of a lunge that must have been

Originally Posted by Pinguaq

Slow rolling is considered rude by some, but it is not a "fold". The logic is in the sequence... why would some one push, get called, have trips TK and thgen fold before seeing the others guys cards. Caller guys is a wanker that doesnt know what he's talking about. "It's a poker rule, not a casio rule"?

To his credit I really don't think the Pusher guy did it on purpose or anything, and really it makes absolutely no sense that he would fold in that situation. Basically just sour grapes BS on the callers part.

Originally Posted by pokergiantkid

The floor manage made the right decision b/c its world wide that if your hand isn't mucked and isn't mingled with any other cards then its not considered a fold even if one card faced down. But to receive the pot with a winning hand you must show both cards.

I think the manager did as well. The Pusher guy didn't say he had folded or anything. He just put his cards down and only showed the second one when the Caller guy showed his kicker, which is really the only point that he is required to if he wants to win the hand. If Caller guy had folded at that point (say he had 6-2 and thought he couldn't win) Pusher wouldn't have had to show anything. That's my understanding anyway.

it's not a fold. it's only a fold when you push your cards face down toward the muck which is generally the dealer.